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Aug 10, 2013

Garry 328 posts

I'd be OK if I remembered to drink my Cocoa.
Regards
Garry

Aug 10, 2013

Janys 5 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Coeliac as well as Diabetic?

Hello lizabetic, I found DAFNE vey very helpful. Diabetes 39 years, coeliac 24 years (lost count now almost) and did DAFNE about 5/6 years ago. DAFNE is really helpful for anyone with coeliac as it gives you much more control over the amount of carbs you have and when you have them. It's just as easy to work out the carbs in GF food. You can even miss a meal with DAFNE if you get stuck. I hope you find it as helpful as I did. Janys Very Happy

Aug 10, 2013

lizabetic 1 post

Topic: General Discussion / Coeliac as well as Diabetic?

Hi there, was looking for this exact thread! I am coeliac 17yrs, things have come so far, and diabetic 5 now... yep coeliac came first!!! Just wondering how you guys got on with DAFNE course on your GF diets? I'm due to start end of August, I can't wait!

Aug 10, 2013

Warwick 425 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / Blood Glucose in the morning

Yes, definitely sounds like DP. If it is ALWAYS happening, then taking a small dose of QA when you wake may help. If you know a rise will happen, then it is OK to take some QA without any carbs. Just start with a small dose and increase it if need be.

I do the same at bedtime when my BGs are about 5 after a dinner of slow release carbs like beans, lentils or chick peas. I know my BGs will rise if I don' t take the extra QA, so I take it and avoid going high, and haven't had any trouble with hypos by doing this.

Aug 10, 2013

Stew B 125 posts

Topic: Site Development / Diary lists

Hi Marke

In the "type" list on the app/online diary, is there any chance that "waking" could be added? The hot weather and an increase in cycling miles have led to several changes to my overnight BI over the summer, and a poor sleep pattern means that I've also been waking very early. As a consequence I've been testing when I wake up (often an hour or two before breakfast). At the moment I record this as "other" and put "waking" in the notes section, which is fine but as I occasionally use "other" at other times it's difficult to separate the waking readings.

Thanks

Stew

Aug 9, 2013

HelenP 218 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Cocoa

Hey, here in Australia cocoa is definitely not drinking chocolate. Cocoa is quite bitter and when made into a drink really does need sugar to make it drinkable. On the other hand drinking chocolate has a heap of other ingredients and is fine without sugar. For my cocoa I eat (in small quantities) 85% cocoa chocolate....it is an acquired taste.
Cocoa has 1.9g CHO in one TABLESPOON of cocoa powder. According to my Carb book drinking chocolate has 2g CHO per TEASPOON and i have three teaspoons to a tablespoon. So drinking chocolate has 3 x the amount of carbs.

Helen

Aug 9, 2013

davidcragg 17 posts

Topic: General Discussion / A bit of escapism - some fun

Warwick said:
I suspect the reason for the preciseness is that it has been translated from American units of measurement where 16.7 mmol/L = 300 mg/dl which is a nice round number. However, almost certainly a whoops moment :-)

Very good spot! Thanks

Aug 9, 2013

lizgray46 4 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / Blood Glucose in the morning

Thank you so much Very Happy

I will give that a go.

Aug 9, 2013

novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / Blood Glucose in the morning

Welcome to the forum...... Wink

Its sounds like the dawn phenomenon........

A lot of people will experience the rise as they wake, however some do not.........

There are 2 elements to the dawn phenomenon.....

1. Your body has been fasting and your stomach is empty, a few hours before waking your body releases hormones, one of which come from the pancreas, gulcagon, this arrives at the liver and instructs it to release some of it glucose stores to assist you in starting the day.

2. This process continues until you provide yourself with fuel and start the digestion process.

So basically, you will need to, or at least give it a try, having something to eat as soon as you wake.

When I was injecting [now pumping] I used to have a 125g pot of yogurt, 19g of carbs, low GI. As I was always in double figures because of the dawn phenomenon, this was all I could stomach. It worked well though.

So if you don't feel up to something substantial, something like a small yogurt would be ideal.....

Aug 9, 2013

lizgray46 4 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / Blood Glucose in the morning

When I take my first blood glucose (at approx 7.30am) the readings are normally quite good, between 4 and 7. I don't eat until 9am when I get to work only having a cup of coffee but by 9am my blood glucose has on average risen by 5mmol. Why is this and how can I stop it happening Confused

Thanks

Aug 9, 2013

mum2westiesGill 502 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Increase of Lantus/BI

Might be a change too far to make when going on holiday though, as you will need focus on adequate BG control when away. Perhaps leave it for a while.
- I'm also thinking it may be best to do any needed changes when I'm back from hols. When I'm home I may do the same as I do with BI changes and leave it 3 days to let things settle, 3 days to see any effect and maybe a few more to see how things are going.

Regards
Gill

Aug 8, 2013

Warwick 425 posts

Topic: General Discussion / A bit of escapism - some fun

I suspect the reason for the preciseness is that it has been translated from American units of measurement where 16.7 mmol/L = 300 mg/dl which is a nice round number. However, almost certainly a whoops moment :-)

Aug 8, 2013

SA2010 69 posts

Topic: General Discussion / A bit of escapism - some fun

davidcragg said:
I was somewhat surprised by the following sentence:

It is important for patients to check their blood sugars, and where very low (< 3.9mmol/l) or very high (16.7mmol/l) they must eat.

Can someone explain to me why if my bg is a very precise 16.7mmol/L or more I must eat? I have never been told this and it seems contrary to everything I have been told.

Thanks

I see your comment there - presume it is yours. Must have been an edit of the text going wrong and no proofreading !

Aug 8, 2013

davidcragg 17 posts

Topic: General Discussion / A bit of escapism - some fun

On the Theresa May story, I was reading this article from Nursing In Practice today:

http://www.nursinginpractice.com/article/diabetes-come-what-may

There are a lot of things in the article I would love to discuss with the author, but when the article moved to discuss fasting I was somewhat surprised by the following sentence:

It is important for patients to check their blood sugars, and where very low (< 3.9mmol/l) or very high (16.7mmol/l) they must eat.

Can someone explain to me why if my bg is a very precise 16.7mmol/L or more I must eat? I have never been told this and it seems contrary to everything I have been told.

Thanks

Aug 8, 2013

meltow 78 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Cocoa

I might be very wrong with this [I don't have any in the cupboard either, so can't check!]............but I thought drinking chocolate had sugar/sweetener added into the chocolate powder. Whereas cocoa is in its natural state.

I certainly find drinking chocolate very sweet, and tend to avoid it at all costs. But no doubt its sweetness is the reason for its popularity Sad

Aug 8, 2013

Alan 49 284 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Cocoa

I was thinking of having one or two cups of hot chocolate every day at home.
I don't have any cocoa or hot chocolate to refer to the nutrition panel. I'll have to look at it on the supermarket shelf.
Do you think hot chocolate and cocoa are one same thing?

Aug 8, 2013

broch keith 3 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Lantus - times

8 units at 9pm
6 units at 9pm on nights I'm working
It's not a lot but done 3am tests and it is enough

Aug 8, 2013

Warwick 425 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Cocoa

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/hot-chocolate-keeps-brain-healthy/story-fneuz92c-1226693223284

Do you want the carb content of cocoa and hot chocolate? You would find them on the nutrition panel of the packet they come in. I won't give you the values I have as it likely differs here in Australia to what you have in the UK.

If you are buying a hot chocolate from a coffee shop, then it becomes guess work, especially if they add marshmellows.

Aug 8, 2013

novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Cocoa

I think drinking chocolate has a few other ingredients thrown in but for the most part, yeah, I think it is the same.....

In what context will you be consuming the coca.....?

Aug 8, 2013

novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / carbs

I didn't know what was happening in this thread till the last few posts...........lol.....

DAFNE encourages the use of CPs, I suppose to make the arithmetic seem easier, but you can deal solely in grams of carbs if you want.....

1 unit for 10g, initially........... Wink

Aug 8, 2013

novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Background insulin (BI)

thanks for that Brian.........

after years of MDI, most folk should be in the habit of testing their BI every 2-3 weeks...... Wink

Aug 8, 2013

Alan 49 284 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Cocoa

I think I remember something on the radio this morning about Cocoa (is that the same as drinking chocolate?) helping older people's memories. I can find no mention of either in my copy of 'Carbs and Cals' nor in the DAFNE CP booklet.

Can anybody throw any light on this, please?

Aug 8, 2013

Garry 328 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Increase of Lantus/BI

Your late morning eating seems to sway things for you.
Why not try 10:00 am 12 u BI and 10:00 pm 10 u BI ... still 22, but split and once the time needed for your body to adjust has gone by, you may be able to see improved morning results.
Although a lot less insulin sensitive than you, I personally find that a change in Total Daily Dose of BI from 56 to 54 u makes a big difference across the whole day....so I am comparitively sensitive to BI adjustments and as a consequence I change these split doses only when my BG figures surely demonstrate the necessity. Might be a change too far to make when going on holiday though, as you will need focus on adequate BG control when away. Perhaps leave it for a while.
Regards
Garry

Aug 8, 2013

mum2westiesGill 502 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Increase of Lantus/BI

What happened Sunday Gill. Where did the morning go?
- I'm afraid the morning was a bit of a blur.

9.2 Sunday night and you list 3.5 CP. Your comment seems to suggest you consumed 2 x 1.7 CPs. But you take no QA and no BI. There must be info missing as how did you get to 3.4 BG at 08:18?
- Yes that's correct I did consume 2 x 1.7 CPs but I never take QA before going to bed to sleep I'm just so nervous of what the outcome would be if I did that. Re the BI I checked my meter and yes I did deffinitley take it.

I think an unbalanced split BI may help you overcome your morning hypos and help you flatten out your food intake pattern.
- By an unbalanced split BI what would you mean?

Aug 10, 2013 Garry 328 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Cocoa I'd be OK if I remembered to drink my Cocoa. Regards Garry

Aug 10, 2013 Janys 5 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Coeliac as well as Diabetic? Hello lizabetic, I found DAFNE vey very helpful. Diabetes 39 years, coeliac 24 years (lost count now almost) and did DAFNE about 5/6 years ago. DAFNE is really helpful for anyone with coeliac as it gives you much more control over the amount of carbs you have and when you have them. It's just as easy to work out the carbs in GF food. You can even miss a meal with DAFNE if you get stuck. I hope you find it as helpful as I did. Janys

Aug 10, 2013 lizabetic 1 post	Topic: General Discussion / Coeliac as well as Diabetic? Hi there, was looking for this exact thread! I am coeliac 17yrs, things have come so far, and diabetic 5 now... yep coeliac came first!!! Just wondering how you guys got on with DAFNE course on your GF diets? I'm due to start end of August, I can't wait!

Aug 10, 2013 Warwick 425 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / Blood Glucose in the morning Yes, definitely sounds like DP. If it is ALWAYS happening, then taking a small dose of QA when you wake may help. If you know a rise will happen, then it is OK to take some QA without any carbs. Just start with a small dose and increase it if need be. I do the same at bedtime when my BGs are about 5 after a dinner of slow release carbs like beans, lentils or chick peas. I know my BGs will rise if I don' t take the extra QA, so I take it and avoid going high, and haven't had any trouble with hypos by doing this.

Aug 10, 2013 Stew B 125 posts	Topic: Site Development / Diary lists Hi Marke In the "type" list on the app/online diary, is there any chance that "waking" could be added? The hot weather and an increase in cycling miles have led to several changes to my overnight BI over the summer, and a poor sleep pattern means that I've also been waking very early. As a consequence I've been testing when I wake up (often an hour or two before breakfast). At the moment I record this as "other" and put "waking" in the notes section, which is fine but as I occasionally use "other" at other times it's difficult to separate the waking readings. Thanks Stew

Aug 9, 2013 HelenP 218 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Cocoa Hey, here in Australia cocoa is definitely not drinking chocolate. Cocoa is quite bitter and when made into a drink really does need sugar to make it drinkable. On the other hand drinking chocolate has a heap of other ingredients and is fine without sugar. For my cocoa I eat (in small quantities) 85% cocoa chocolate....it is an acquired taste. Cocoa has 1.9g CHO in one TABLESPOON of cocoa powder. According to my Carb book drinking chocolate has 2g CHO per TEASPOON and i have three teaspoons to a tablespoon. So drinking chocolate has 3 x the amount of carbs. Helen

Aug 9, 2013 davidcragg 17 posts	Topic: General Discussion / A bit of escapism - some fun Warwick said: I suspect the reason for the preciseness is that it has been translated from American units of measurement where 16.7 mmol/L = 300 mg/dl which is a nice round number. However, almost certainly a whoops moment :-) Very good spot! Thanks

Aug 9, 2013 lizgray46 4 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / Blood Glucose in the morning Thank you so much I will give that a go.

Aug 9, 2013 novorapidboi26 1,819 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / Blood Glucose in the morning Welcome to the forum...... Its sounds like the dawn phenomenon........ A lot of people will experience the rise as they wake, however some do not......... There are 2 elements to the dawn phenomenon..... 1. Your body has been fasting and your stomach is empty, a few hours before waking your body releases hormones, one of which come from the pancreas, gulcagon, this arrives at the liver and instructs it to release some of it glucose stores to assist you in starting the day. 2. This process continues until you provide yourself with fuel and start the digestion process. So basically, you will need to, or at least give it a try, having something to eat as soon as you wake. When I was injecting [now pumping] I used to have a 125g pot of yogurt, 19g of carbs, low GI. As I was always in double figures because of the dawn phenomenon, this was all I could stomach. It worked well though. So if you don't feel up to something substantial, something like a small yogurt would be ideal.....

Aug 9, 2013 lizgray46 4 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / Blood Glucose in the morning When I take my first blood glucose (at approx 7.30am) the readings are normally quite good, between 4 and 7. I don't eat until 9am when I get to work only having a cup of coffee but by 9am my blood glucose has on average risen by 5mmol. Why is this and how can I stop it happening Thanks

Aug 9, 2013 mum2westiesGill 502 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Increase of Lantus/BI Might be a change too far to make when going on holiday though, as you will need focus on adequate BG control when away. Perhaps leave it for a while. - I'm also thinking it may be best to do any needed changes when I'm back from hols. When I'm home I may do the same as I do with BI changes and leave it 3 days to let things settle, 3 days to see any effect and maybe a few more to see how things are going. Regards Gill

Aug 8, 2013 Warwick 425 posts	Topic: General Discussion / A bit of escapism - some fun I suspect the reason for the preciseness is that it has been translated from American units of measurement where 16.7 mmol/L = 300 mg/dl which is a nice round number. However, almost certainly a whoops moment :-)

Aug 8, 2013 SA2010 69 posts	Topic: General Discussion / A bit of escapism - some fun davidcragg said: I was somewhat surprised by the following sentence: It is important for patients to check their blood sugars, and where very low (< 3.9mmol/l) or very high (16.7mmol/l) they must eat. Can someone explain to me why if my bg is a very precise 16.7mmol/L or more I must eat? I have never been told this and it seems contrary to everything I have been told. Thanks I see your comment there - presume it is yours. Must have been an edit of the text going wrong and no proofreading !

Aug 8, 2013 davidcragg 17 posts	Topic: General Discussion / A bit of escapism - some fun On the Theresa May story, I was reading this article from Nursing In Practice today: http://www.nursinginpractice.com/article/diabetes-come-what-may There are a lot of things in the article I would love to discuss with the author, but when the article moved to discuss fasting I was somewhat surprised by the following sentence: It is important for patients to check their blood sugars, and where very low (< 3.9mmol/l) or very high (16.7mmol/l) they must eat. Can someone explain to me why if my bg is a very precise 16.7mmol/L or more I must eat? I have never been told this and it seems contrary to everything I have been told. Thanks

Aug 8, 2013 meltow 78 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Cocoa I might be very wrong with this [I don't have any in the cupboard either, so can't check!]............but I thought drinking chocolate had sugar/sweetener added into the chocolate powder. Whereas cocoa is in its natural state. I certainly find drinking chocolate very sweet, and tend to avoid it at all costs. But no doubt its sweetness is the reason for its popularity

Aug 8, 2013 Alan 49 284 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Cocoa I was thinking of having one or two cups of hot chocolate every day at home. I don't have any cocoa or hot chocolate to refer to the nutrition panel. I'll have to look at it on the supermarket shelf. Do you think hot chocolate and cocoa are one same thing?

Aug 8, 2013 broch keith 3 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Lantus - times 8 units at 9pm 6 units at 9pm on nights I'm working It's not a lot but done 3am tests and it is enough

Aug 8, 2013 Warwick 425 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Cocoa http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/hot-chocolate-keeps-brain-healthy/story-fneuz92c-1226693223284 Do you want the carb content of cocoa and hot chocolate? You would find them on the nutrition panel of the packet they come in. I won't give you the values I have as it likely differs here in Australia to what you have in the UK. If you are buying a hot chocolate from a coffee shop, then it becomes guess work, especially if they add marshmellows.

Aug 8, 2013 novorapidboi26 1,819 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Cocoa I think drinking chocolate has a few other ingredients thrown in but for the most part, yeah, I think it is the same..... In what context will you be consuming the coca.....?

Aug 8, 2013 novorapidboi26 1,819 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / carbs I didn't know what was happening in this thread till the last few posts...........lol..... DAFNE encourages the use of CPs, I suppose to make the arithmetic seem easier, but you can deal solely in grams of carbs if you want..... 1 unit for 10g, initially...........

Aug 8, 2013 novorapidboi26 1,819 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Background insulin (BI) thanks for that Brian......... after years of MDI, most folk should be in the habit of testing their BI every 2-3 weeks......

Aug 8, 2013 Alan 49 284 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Cocoa I think I remember something on the radio this morning about Cocoa (is that the same as drinking chocolate?) helping older people's memories. I can find no mention of either in my copy of 'Carbs and Cals' nor in the DAFNE CP booklet. Can anybody throw any light on this, please?

Aug 8, 2013 Garry 328 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Increase of Lantus/BI Your late morning eating seems to sway things for you. Why not try 10:00 am 12 u BI and 10:00 pm 10 u BI ... still 22, but split and once the time needed for your body to adjust has gone by, you may be able to see improved morning results. Although a lot less insulin sensitive than you, I personally find that a change in Total Daily Dose of BI from 56 to 54 u makes a big difference across the whole day....so I am comparitively sensitive to BI adjustments and as a consequence I change these split doses only when my BG figures surely demonstrate the necessity. Might be a change too far to make when going on holiday though, as you will need focus on adequate BG control when away. Perhaps leave it for a while. Regards Garry

Aug 8, 2013 mum2westiesGill 502 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Increase of Lantus/BI What happened Sunday Gill. Where did the morning go? - I'm afraid the morning was a bit of a blur. 9.2 Sunday night and you list 3.5 CP. Your comment seems to suggest you consumed 2 x 1.7 CPs. But you take no QA and no BI. There must be info missing as how did you get to 3.4 BG at 08:18? - Yes that's correct I did consume 2 x 1.7 CPs but I never take QA before going to bed to sleep I'm just so nervous of what the outcome would be if I did that. Re the BI I checked my meter and yes I did deffinitley take it. I think an unbalanced split BI may help you overcome your morning hypos and help you flatten out your food intake pattern. - By an unbalanced split BI what would you mean?