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Aug 28, 2011
KeithCl
43 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing
John, Thanks for this - detailed and helpful. Bugs: 1. Yes there is no check for null values. I'll review the other aggregations too. 2. There are quite a few other comments about the Auto Calculate too - as you've noticed what is there is quite simple. 3. This is fixed in the "1.1.r255 BETA" version. 4. This is fixed in the "1.1.r255 BETA" version. 5. I'll do some more tests on this to try and get a sense of how reliable/unreliable it is. 6. I gave increasing the chances of correct entry priority over hiding the password having noted that http://www.dafneonline.co.uk/ sends passwords in the clear. 7. This is fixed in the "1.2.r261 BETA". This is the version you get if you install/upgrade now. 8. See 5. Features hard to use: 1. Yeah I don't know what that is for either. Suggestions: 1. I was assuming that a manual wouldn't be needed given that users will be pretty well versed in the ideas having done the DAFNE training. Are there specific things that need describing? 2. Yes the iPhone app is adding this and it will make its way into the Android app in a while. Keith |
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Aug 28, 2011
John Syer
19 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Hi Keith and Simon,,I've emailed this but I'll also post to the forum so others can make use of the information if need be. I've been using the app (along side OnTrack) since lunchtime 24/08/2011 (about 5 days) and below are the things that I have noted while testing the app. Phone: HTC Desire A8181 Android version: 2.2 Beta version: 1.0.r251 BETA Bugs Bug #1 - Incorrect blood glucose averages Reproduce: Create a new diary entry without a BG value (for example when injecting BI only - which is not BG dependent), the BG averages calculation takes that as a 0.0mmol/l reading and skews the result. (It also appears that the web site also does the averaging incorrectly but differently inccorrectly) Bug #2 - Auto Calculate QA overwrites entries on editing diary entries Reproduce: Have Auto Calculate QA selected and edit a diary entry which contains a correction (i.e. 6+1), the QA value is overwritten and the correction value in the QA field is lost. Bug #3 - The diary entry type is not always loaded properly on editing diary entries Reproduce: Have a diary entry type "Hypoglycemia" (at 17:27) and then edit it later, the entry type shows as "Before Dinner" Bug #4 - Changing the diary entry type doesn't update the QA:CP ratio value when adding an entry Reproduce: Create a new diary entry and change the type to one with a different QA:CP ratio value, the ratio is not changed. This is especially bad when Auto Calculate QA is selected. Bug #5 - Manually uploading entries failed Reproduce: With auto-upload disabled, create 2 days worth of entries in an empty database (i.e. there are only 2 days of entries). From the Entries page, upload "last week" produces "Sorry! The application DAFNE Online (process dafneonline.android) has stopped unexpectedly. Please try again." Further information: I got manual uploading to work after enabling auto upload, entering a new diary entry (which was uploaded), then disabling auto upload Bug #6 - DAFNE online credentials password is viewable in plain text Reproduce: Enter the credentials in the Settings page, the password appears as "*********", then select the password field again and the password is visible in plain text in the entry box Bug #7 - Dimmed icons on the main screen Reproduce: From the main screen, select "Food Groups", then select "Home" from the menu, select "Entries" from the main screen, then select "Home" from the menu. Both "Food Groups" and "Entries" icons are dimed. Keep pressing back until you quit the app. Run the app again and the two icons are still dimmed. Bug #8 - Manual upload fails at various times Reproduce: I don't have a method to reproduce this on demand. I have had messages informing me that my credentails are wrong (Sorry I didn't write the message down). I guess this could easily have been a fault at the dafneonline.co.uk end of the connection. Features hard to use Issue #1 - The purpose of the correctional diary entry type is not clear Suggestions Suggestion #1 - Some form of user manual (especially a link to the user manual in the application). Suggestion #2 - A way to add food to the database Regards, John |
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Aug 28, 2011
ketostix pla...
25 posts
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Topic: General Discussion / EU Directive - Million Drivers face losing their licence. This is a total joke. Before I completed the Dafne course I had quite a severe hypo on the way back from watching football and my partner called an ambulance, as she had never seen me have a hypo before. I treated myself with dextrose and by the time I was in the back of the ambulance my blood was about 3.2 but raising gradually. My driving Licence at the time was with the DVLA going through renewal, and the ambulance asked me if I wanted to go to hospital, to which I said no as I diid not want any repocussions, so basically got chucked out back of ambulance and had to walk home when still effectively in hypo. If this ruling comes in I can imagine this will be quite common for people with difficulties in bloodglucose control
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Aug 26, 2011
Pinky
4 posts
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Topic: Questions for HCPs / Menstrual Cycle, BI
I finished my Dafne course today and the changes in BG and monthly cycle were discussed and experienced by several of us. It was acknowledge as a common promblem and could be tackled in changes to BI although no hard and fast rules as yet. Before DAFNE I would reduce my quick acting and have a snack or two before bed, now not sure what to do. Found your comments really helpful, good to know I am not the only one. |
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Aug 26, 2011
Geofftrez
22 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing KeithC1 said:If you do a long touch on the CP field on my phone you get offered a menu where you can choose a different input method (soft keyboard); perhaps that is where a simple adder dialog could be launched from. Agreed Headspace said: 10. Agree with Geofftrez's cosmetic suggestion for shortcut to food listings. Really helpful. I have just noticed that on the Samsung Galaxy the phones options key shortcuts to the previos menu including foodgroups - so this option is already available on my phone. |
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Aug 26, 2011
KeithCl
43 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing
Thanks for the detailed feedback. Quick responses to some of the points: 5. Yes CP first is taken from standard DAFNE diaries etc. As you have to touch to edit anyway does the order really matter? 6. Yes needs fixing; will be in next beta version. 8. I see that that feature has just been added to the iPhone app; a candidate feature for Android in the future too. 9. Certainly a possibility but not for the first release. 10. Perhaps a hyperlink on the "CP" heading; if its quick to do I'll add it in the next beta version. |
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Aug 26, 2011
KeithCl
43 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing
If you do a long touch on the CP field on my phone you get offered a menu where you can choose a different input method (soft keyboard); perhaps that is where a simple adder dialog could be launched from. |
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Aug 26, 2011
Geofftrez
22 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Headspace said:3. Stalls a little when saving after adding/additng entry, particualrly when in areas of low connectivity. I would recommend going to settings and unchecking diary upload - Its amazing how often we have poor conectivity. You can then do a manual upload when you know you have a good connection. |
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Aug 26, 2011
Geofftrez
22 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Another cosmetic suggestiion. When eating I open a notepad to add up individual CP values. This could be built into the data entry CP data box. If it had the option to add up say 8 figures and post the total into the CP field. |
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Aug 26, 2011
Headspace
9 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Some feedback from me (using Galaxy S2, with android 2.3.3). Firstly, an excellent app, and thanks for cracking on with developing it.1. Overall look and feel are great. Clean and vibrant. 2. Forced close on editting entries - this was very early on and seems to have sorted itself out. 3. Stalls a little when saving after adding/additng entry, particualrly when in areas of low connectivity. 4. Choice of pre-defined ratios is welcome, once I'd read Geofftrez's comments about altering these in settings. Perhaps this could be made clearer - I had two or three days when I was manually changing ratios from the default 1:1 every time. Also, unsure why there's a default ration in categories before and after exercise, hypoglycaemia, driving, BI etc. Happy to be challenged on this though. 5. On entry, the first box I go to is BG. Can we have BG as the fist box on entries rather than CP? Or is this a requirement for Dafne consistency? 6. The ability to put a decimal point in the CP box would be helpful. Somebody's already made this point I think. 7. In entries, the current day is listed at the top (which is a marked improvement on the online BG diary). However, the following day is also in descending order which makes going from one to the other not as easy as it might be if they were all in descending order. Others may have a view on this though. Some comments on food listings 8. Is it possible to have a 'user defined' list of foods/meals please? For those of us who cook at home in large batches, it would be helpful to have the ability to add 'portion of shephers pie' or similar, especially once we've managed to work out roughly how many CPs are in it. 9. Is there a possibility of memorising a previously entered comment. Eg, i'm having to enter Toast in the morning for breakfast, whereas if I access the online BG diary via android, it recognises previous entries in that field and as soon as 'T' is keyed in, Toast is one of the options. just a cosmetic thing really. 10. Agree with Geofftrez's cosmetic suggestion for shortcut to food listings. Really helpful. 11. Jacket postato is listed in the foodlistings as 10 CPs by the way. Not sure who oversees this part of the system. Suggestions 12. One issue that's been annoying me for a while. Sometimes when I administer BI I also need to adminsiter QA. However recording two separate injection sites in one entry appears to be impossible. Can we have two boxes, or is this going to be a case of having two entries for one blood test result. 13. Also, when I re-look at the list of tests in the Dafne online BG diary, I don't see all the entries for BI. Now that's probably because I haven't entered BI, but then do I need to enter BI just because its 22:30 (when i take my BI) when actually the rreason I'm testing is also because I fancy a snack or I'm hypo, so i record the test rationale accordingly - not as BI. Something to be worked through perhaps? Anyway, a great start. Thanks for all the hard work. Brian |
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Aug 26, 2011
Geofftrez
22 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing A cosmetic suggestion:add entry opens the posting screen for BG CP QA and BI (shouldn't BG come first) I love having all this on one screen - saves time entering data. I check BG pre meal and keep the screen active untill I record CP and QA. If you need to look up CP's for a type of food I am forced to save, look up the food type and then edit the entry to continue posting. Would it be possible to have a shortcut to foodgroups or alphabetic on the data entry screen so that once you have looked up the food item you can continue with the posting. With regards to Simons post - add data fields(for each mealtime/incident) for ratio CP:BG default 1:2.5 QA:BG default 1:2.5. |
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Aug 26, 2011
KeithCl
43 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing
Ok I see. Yes that is not implemented and is also not present in the iPhone version. See Simon's most recent comment: if we can agree how it should work then it is a candidate to add in the future. |
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Aug 26, 2011
Geofftrez
22 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Tergets left as default. ratio 1:1add entry - before breakfast BG 12 CP 5 Autocalc is 5 - I would have expected 5 + 2 = 7 add entry - before lunch BG17 CP 5 Autocalc is 5 settings shows version 1.1.r255 BETA |
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Aug 26, 2011
KeithCl
43 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing
The autocalc on the edit page works by applying the displayed QA:CP ratio to the CP value as it is typed in and putting the result in the QA field. The bug I fixed was that corrections to the CP value were not being counted so a CP of 6+2 was being counted as 6 not 8. That fix is working for me. Please describe in more detail what is not working for you. I'll fix the decimal place problem in the next beta version by also allowing 1 decimal place for the CP, QA and BI fields. My mistake - didn't realise that the diary on this site allows decimals for those values. |
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Aug 26, 2011
Geofftrez
22 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Just downloaded the latest version. The autocalc still seems to ignore any correction. The other changes seem fine. Still think CP should cope with 1/10 units. Its illogical that BG is to 1 decimal place whilst CP are in whole numbers when 1CP = circa 2.5 BG. Some insulin pens now do .5 units. |
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Aug 26, 2011
KeithCl
43 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing
The beta download has been updated (in fact a little over a day ago) to version 1.1.r255 BETA that has the above changes/fixes in it. If you installed before then please repeat the installation process - your existing data and settings will be preserved. If you are unsure of the version you have you can check the version number by scrolling to the end of the Settings. |
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Aug 25, 2011
Simon
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Glad to see there's been some constructive discussion on this already. Thanks to Keith for all of his efforts so far, and our beta testers for their efforts in providing speedy feedback.On the correction dosage calculation, the DAFNE guidelines state that 1 extra IU will bring down your BG by 2-3 mmol/l, which is quite a large range, and could mean the difference between having a hypo or not. As app developer I didn't want to set myself up as a target for any legal action in case the app was seen to be giving medical advice which then caused somebody to have a hypo. That said, after reviewing this discussion I think that if we implemented smethingsimilar to novorapidvoi's patient 1 and 2 examples above, then it will lessen the risk of legal action as the users are still choosing the numbers themselves. I'll investigate the iPhone app and see how easy it would be to do. |
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Aug 25, 2011
Guy Kramer
12 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Android app Hello Simon,I have sent an email to offer my services for testing the app, I also have experience with testing when working for software companies. Regards Guy |
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Aug 25, 2011
maria51
22 posts
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Topic: Questions for HCPs / Protein and Fats
Hey Steve, It would be best to post your BGLs etc on the online diary to get a visual as it's more helpful to get the info you require. I find when eating food containing fat that I go the other way & stay high for up to 6 or 7 hours after!! Good luck. |
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Aug 25, 2011
Doc_46
3 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing
Hi All, Just downloaded the App last night and I'm really happy with it. The food group info is going to be a major bonus for me. I v'e just been playing around with the app really and I'm impressed with its responsiveness and how smooth it runs compared to other apps I have on my budget LG GT540 Andriod phone. I'll leave the nitty gritty in the capable hands of Keith and Novorapidboi26 etc...I'd be quite happy with a message that recommends an adjustment when your BG level falls outside your set target. So Far So Good though. Thanks a million. |
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Aug 24, 2011
KeithCl
43 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing I propose these changes:1. If in "Auto-Calculate QA" mode, update the QA value if either the CP value or the QA:CP value changes. 2. If the Type field is changed, always update the QA:CP field to the value stored in Targets. 3. Distinguish visually between a manually entered QA or QA:CP value and an automatically populated one (using italics for the latter) to provide a visual hint on what is going on. 4. Fix the bug identified earlier where a CP of 6+2 is only counted as 6 in the "Auto-Calculate QA" mode rather than as 8. 5. Fix the bug where when editing an existing entry the QA:CP ratio was always being set to the default (from the Targets) not the previously saved value. |
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Aug 24, 2011
Geofftrez
22 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing KeithC1 said:If I set the ratio in the Targets to 3:1 it is brought through into the add entry. But it isn't updated further if you then change the type, the problem being that the QA:CP field on the add entry can also be manually updated (but perhaps should be). The software seems to try and anticipate what meal it is. I have set breakfast and lunch ratios to 1:1, and dinner and bed to 3:1. If I go to add entry it defaults to pre dinner with a ratio of 3:1. If I change that to pre lunch it should default to the lunch ratio but doesnt - it stays at 3:1. ie as you said if you alter the type the QA:CP doesnt auto update. |
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Aug 24, 2011
KeithCl
43 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing
If I set the ratio in the Targets to 3:1 it is brought through into the add entry. But it isn't updated further if you then change the type, the problem being that the QA:CP field on the add entry can also be manually updated (but perhaps should be). Please add a bit more detail on the problem you are seeing. |
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Aug 24, 2011
Geofftrez
22 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Geofftrez said:...target QA:CP ratio doesn't seem to be carried over to the posting page and is therefore excuded from the autocalc. KeithC1 said: Not sure what you mean here - please explain more. (The ratio comes from the Targets and can be edited and is used to calculate the QA. But yes the order that things are changed in matters which isn't great.) If you set the target QA:CP ratio for dinner to 3:1 then go to add entry dinner - it still defaults to 1:1 |