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Aug 26, 2011
KeithCl
43 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing
The autocalc on the edit page works by applying the displayed QA:CP ratio to the CP value as it is typed in and putting the result in the QA field. The bug I fixed was that corrections to the CP value were not being counted so a CP of 6+2 was being counted as 6 not 8. That fix is working for me. Please describe in more detail what is not working for you. I'll fix the decimal place problem in the next beta version by also allowing 1 decimal place for the CP, QA and BI fields. My mistake - didn't realise that the diary on this site allows decimals for those values. |
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Aug 26, 2011
Geofftrez
22 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Just downloaded the latest version. The autocalc still seems to ignore any correction. The other changes seem fine. Still think CP should cope with 1/10 units. Its illogical that BG is to 1 decimal place whilst CP are in whole numbers when 1CP = circa 2.5 BG. Some insulin pens now do .5 units. |
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Aug 26, 2011
KeithCl
43 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing
The beta download has been updated (in fact a little over a day ago) to version 1.1.r255 BETA that has the above changes/fixes in it. If you installed before then please repeat the installation process - your existing data and settings will be preserved. If you are unsure of the version you have you can check the version number by scrolling to the end of the Settings. |
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Aug 25, 2011
Simon
574 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Glad to see there's been some constructive discussion on this already. Thanks to Keith for all of his efforts so far, and our beta testers for their efforts in providing speedy feedback.On the correction dosage calculation, the DAFNE guidelines state that 1 extra IU will bring down your BG by 2-3 mmol/l, which is quite a large range, and could mean the difference between having a hypo or not. As app developer I didn't want to set myself up as a target for any legal action in case the app was seen to be giving medical advice which then caused somebody to have a hypo. That said, after reviewing this discussion I think that if we implemented smethingsimilar to novorapidvoi's patient 1 and 2 examples above, then it will lessen the risk of legal action as the users are still choosing the numbers themselves. I'll investigate the iPhone app and see how easy it would be to do. |
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Aug 25, 2011
Guy Kramer
12 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Android app Hello Simon,I have sent an email to offer my services for testing the app, I also have experience with testing when working for software companies. Regards Guy |
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Aug 25, 2011
maria51
22 posts
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Topic: Questions for HCPs / Protein and Fats
Hey Steve, It would be best to post your BGLs etc on the online diary to get a visual as it's more helpful to get the info you require. I find when eating food containing fat that I go the other way & stay high for up to 6 or 7 hours after!! Good luck. |
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Aug 25, 2011
Doc_46
3 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing
Hi All, Just downloaded the App last night and I'm really happy with it. The food group info is going to be a major bonus for me. I v'e just been playing around with the app really and I'm impressed with its responsiveness and how smooth it runs compared to other apps I have on my budget LG GT540 Andriod phone. I'll leave the nitty gritty in the capable hands of Keith and Novorapidboi26 etc...I'd be quite happy with a message that recommends an adjustment when your BG level falls outside your set target. So Far So Good though. Thanks a million. |
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Aug 24, 2011
KeithCl
43 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing I propose these changes:1. If in "Auto-Calculate QA" mode, update the QA value if either the CP value or the QA:CP value changes. 2. If the Type field is changed, always update the QA:CP field to the value stored in Targets. 3. Distinguish visually between a manually entered QA or QA:CP value and an automatically populated one (using italics for the latter) to provide a visual hint on what is going on. 4. Fix the bug identified earlier where a CP of 6+2 is only counted as 6 in the "Auto-Calculate QA" mode rather than as 8. 5. Fix the bug where when editing an existing entry the QA:CP ratio was always being set to the default (from the Targets) not the previously saved value. |
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Aug 24, 2011
Geofftrez
22 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing KeithC1 said:If I set the ratio in the Targets to 3:1 it is brought through into the add entry. But it isn't updated further if you then change the type, the problem being that the QA:CP field on the add entry can also be manually updated (but perhaps should be). The software seems to try and anticipate what meal it is. I have set breakfast and lunch ratios to 1:1, and dinner and bed to 3:1. If I go to add entry it defaults to pre dinner with a ratio of 3:1. If I change that to pre lunch it should default to the lunch ratio but doesnt - it stays at 3:1. ie as you said if you alter the type the QA:CP doesnt auto update. |
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Aug 24, 2011
KeithCl
43 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing
If I set the ratio in the Targets to 3:1 it is brought through into the add entry. But it isn't updated further if you then change the type, the problem being that the QA:CP field on the add entry can also be manually updated (but perhaps should be). Please add a bit more detail on the problem you are seeing. |
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Aug 24, 2011
Geofftrez
22 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Geofftrez said:...target QA:CP ratio doesn't seem to be carried over to the posting page and is therefore excuded from the autocalc. KeithC1 said: Not sure what you mean here - please explain more. (The ratio comes from the Targets and can be edited and is used to calculate the QA. But yes the order that things are changed in matters which isn't great.) If you set the target QA:CP ratio for dinner to 3:1 then go to add entry dinner - it still defaults to 1:1 |
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Aug 24, 2011
chrisinbrum
41 posts
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Topic: General Discussion / EU Directive - Million Drivers face losing their licence.
I think that if you have a hypo that needs someone else to help you, you're incredibly unlikely to be thinking clearly enough to say "hang on a minute - don't put that hypostop in my mouth, it'll mean i have to report it to the DVLA"! As DAFNE rules teach us, we should all test before and during driving and that way we're as safe as we can be...I wouldn't want to start increasing my HbA1 just to avoid going low. Stick to the best control you can get and make your MP and Diabetes UK stand up for common sense and fight on our behalf for safe but sensible rules. 
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Aug 24, 2011
Chris loughrey
21 posts
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Topic: General Discussion / EU Directive - Million Drivers face losing their licence. Cant beat politicians meddling in people's lives and pretending that the world is black and white!The "EU" is a joke, a very bad one at that. This attempt at "law" will need years of attention by people who actually know the law before it could be considered usable for the public. Don't give it a second thought. |
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Aug 24, 2011
novorapidboi26
1,816 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing I agree it may not be suited to everyone and therefore demand wont influence supply..............It just seems as if there is an automated function, then why not let it work out more than just the Carb/Insulin calculation....... My current meter, the freestyle insulinX does this, well, at least for Patient 1 anyway, so its not really much use in that sense for me, as I need to adjust my corrections manually........ PS........Apart from this mental idea of mine you have done a great job, no crashes, easy to use, does the job............well done.......... |
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Aug 24, 2011
KeithCl
43 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing
Not sure what you mean here - please explain more. (The ratio comes from the Targets and can be edited and is used to calculate the QA. But yes the order that things are changed in matters which isn't great.) Agreed the layout (ratio being hidden) is problematic. |
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Aug 24, 2011
KeithCl
43 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing
Your "Patient 1" example can be handled with the existing ratio mechanism (where the ratios are defined for different parts of the day in "Targets") right? Your "Patient 2" example would not be too hard to add but again its functionality not present in the iPhone app or this web site and also perhaps strays int the tool replacing people's own decisions. Hopefully Simon and others will add their comments on this too. |
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Aug 24, 2011
Geofftrez
22 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Yes to the corrections.As for the exercise option - I always do a rough mental calculation and then use the autocalc for a definative answer. CP would benefit from a decimal place so that I could input say a CP figure of 6.6 (66 gm) and the number keypad being the same as for BG (as the decimal point is on the next page). Being insulin and exercise sensitive has probably made me more precise than the norm. The target QA:CP ratio doesn't seem to be carried over to the posting page and is therefore excuded from the autocalc. The ratio is hidden by the number pad unless you have already edited it. |
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Aug 24, 2011
novorapidboi26
1,816 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing I think he was meaning the corrections to the QA value, as a correction is additional units of insulin on top of the auto calc QA for the carbs..........With a ratio of 1.5:1 bg 11.7 CP = 8 QA = 12 It should normally be displayed as QA = 12+correction However the option to turn off auto calc is there so thats one way of avoiding missing out the correction dose... Another possible function that could be added to the targets section that could help with the corrections and the auto calc function is to allow the user to input how much 1 unit of insulin drops them by. For best results, being able to change the time of day/and or the level of blood glucose would be best. Example: Patient 1: 0600 - 1200 = 1 unit drops 2.5mmol/l 1200 - 1800 = 1 unit drops 2.0mmol/l 1800 - 0600 = I unit drops 2.5mmol/l Patient 2: [this is my case] below 10mmol/l - 1 unit drops 2.5mmol/l 10-13mmol/l = 1 unit drops 2.0mmol/l 13.17mmol/l = 1 unit drops 1.5mmol/l above 17mmol/l = 1 unit drops 1.0mmol/l I would imagine this could be quite tricky to implement, however if it could be done, then the auto calc fucntion could consider both ratio and varying correction doses, and actually give a dose that could be used as a check/confirmation as well as for record purposes..... |
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Aug 24, 2011
KeithCl
43 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing
Do you mean corrections to the CP value e.g. when the CP value is 6+2 only the 6 part is used? If so yes I regard that as a bug and will fix. |
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Aug 24, 2011
KeithCl
43 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing
The functionality is pretty much a copy of the iPhone app and both apps complement the diary capabilities on this site. So a medication feature would probably best be added to all 3. The auto-calc is very simple; I had a brief exchange with Simon on this with the concern being that trying to make it fancier might leave people relying on it rather than doing their own thinking about the right QA dose to take. |
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Aug 24, 2011
Geofftrez
22 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing The autocalc doesn't seem to take account of corrections. |
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Aug 24, 2011
Geofftrez
22 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Scratch the autocalc overtype comment as already can.Shouldn't have been so hasty posting. 
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Aug 24, 2011
Geofftrez
22 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Delete the edit or delete entries comment - just found it.
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Aug 24, 2011
Geofftrez
22 posts
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Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Nice App. Particularly like the access to food group data and the compact feel of the app. Also like the offline use - internet access isn't always available.Suggestions:- Add a medication option for user named medications. For the autocalc to work could do with expected exercise- light/medium/hard Entries should have an edit or delete option Autocalc - should be able to overtype. Geoff |
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Aug 23, 2011
KeithCl
43 posts
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Topic: General Discussion / Android App There is now a version in beta testing so as long as the feedback doesn't require a lot of changes there should be a released version generally available in two to three weeks time.Keith |