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Aug 24, 2011

chrisinbrum 41 posts

Topic: General Discussion / EU Directive - Million Drivers face losing their licence.

grybek said:
The worrying aspect of this is the EU's take on what constitutes severe hypoglycaemia. They term it as, 'any episode where the assistance of another person is required.' I know Diabetes UK have commented on that and asked for a better definition. I just hope it doesn't lead to people not seeking assistance, but that is a possible scenario. It seems remarkably unfair that an episode at night could fall within this criteria. Perhaps I am concerned without good reason, it just seems to go against my desire to keep my levels within the targets.

I think that if you have a hypo that needs someone else to help you, you're incredibly unlikely to be thinking clearly enough to say "hang on a minute - don't put that hypostop in my mouth, it'll mean i have to report it to the DVLA"!
As DAFNE rules teach us, we should all test before and during driving and that way we're as safe as we can be...I wouldn't want to start increasing my HbA1 just to avoid going low. Stick to the best control you can get and make your MP and Diabetes UK stand up for common sense and fight on our behalf for safe but sensible rules. Smile

Aug 24, 2011

Chris loughrey 21 posts

Topic: General Discussion / EU Directive - Million Drivers face losing their licence.

Cant beat politicians meddling in people's lives and pretending that the world is black and white!

The "EU" is a joke, a very bad one at that.

This attempt at "law" will need years of attention by people who actually know the law before it could be considered usable for the public. Don't give it a second thought.

Aug 24, 2011

novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

I agree it may not be suited to everyone and therefore demand wont influence supply..............

It just seems as if there is an automated function, then why not let it work out more than just the Carb/Insulin calculation.......

My current meter, the freestyle insulinX does this, well, at least for Patient 1 anyway, so its not really much use in that sense for me, as I need to adjust my corrections manually........

PS........Apart from this mental idea of mine you have done a great job, no crashes, easy to use, does the job............well done..........

Aug 24, 2011

KeithCl 43 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Geofftrez said:
...target QA:CP ratio doesn't seem to be carried over to the posting page and is therefore excuded from the autocalc.

Not sure what you mean here - please explain more. (The ratio comes from the Targets and can be edited and is used to calculate the QA. But yes the order that things are changed in matters which isn't great.)

Agreed the layout (ratio being hidden) is problematic.

Aug 24, 2011

KeithCl 43 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

novorapidboi26 said:
...the auto calc fucntion could consider both ratio and varying correction doses...

Your "Patient 1" example can be handled with the existing ratio mechanism (where the ratios are defined for different parts of the day in "Targets") right?

Your "Patient 2" example would not be too hard to add but again its functionality not present in the iPhone app or this web site and also perhaps strays int the tool replacing people's own decisions. Hopefully Simon and others will add their comments on this too.

Aug 24, 2011

Geofftrez 22 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Yes to the corrections.
As for the exercise option - I always do a rough mental calculation and then use the autocalc for a definative answer.

CP would benefit from a decimal place so that I could input say a CP figure of 6.6 (66 gm) and the number keypad being the same as for BG (as the decimal point is on the next page). Being insulin and exercise sensitive has probably made me more precise than the norm. The target QA:CP ratio doesn't seem to be carried over to the posting page and is therefore excuded from the autocalc. The ratio is hidden by the number pad unless you have already edited it.

Aug 24, 2011

novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

I think he was meaning the corrections to the QA value, as a correction is additional units of insulin on top of the auto calc QA for the carbs..........

With a ratio of 1.5:1

bg 11.7
CP = 8
QA = 12

It should normally be displayed as QA = 12+correction

However the option to turn off auto calc is there so thats one way of avoiding missing out the correction dose...

Another possible function that could be added to the targets section that could help with the corrections and the auto calc function is to allow the user to input how much 1 unit of insulin drops them by. For best results, being able to change the time of day/and or the level of blood glucose would be best.

Example:

Patient 1:

0600 - 1200 = 1 unit drops 2.5mmol/l
1200 - 1800 = 1 unit drops 2.0mmol/l
1800 - 0600 = I unit drops 2.5mmol/l

Patient 2: [this is my case]

below 10mmol/l - 1 unit drops 2.5mmol/l
10-13mmol/l = 1 unit drops 2.0mmol/l
13.17mmol/l = 1 unit drops 1.5mmol/l
above 17mmol/l = 1 unit drops 1.0mmol/l

I would imagine this could be quite tricky to implement, however if it could be done, then the auto calc fucntion could consider both ratio and varying correction doses, and actually give a dose that could be used as a check/confirmation as well as for record purposes.....

Aug 24, 2011

KeithCl 43 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Geofftrez said:
The autocalc doesn't seem to take account of corrections.

Do you mean corrections to the CP value e.g. when the CP value is 6+2 only the 6 part is used? If so yes I regard that as a bug and will fix.

Aug 24, 2011

KeithCl 43 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Geofftrez said:

Add a medication option for user named medications.
For the autocalc to work could do with expected exercise- light/medium/hard

The functionality is pretty much a copy of the iPhone app and both apps complement the diary capabilities on this site. So a medication feature would probably best be added to all 3.
The auto-calc is very simple; I had a brief exchange with Simon on this with the concern being that trying to make it fancier might leave people relying on it rather than doing their own thinking about the right QA dose to take.

Aug 24, 2011

Geofftrez 22 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

The autocalc doesn't seem to take account of corrections.

Aug 24, 2011

Geofftrez 22 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Scratch the autocalc overtype comment as already can.
Shouldn't have been so hasty posting.
Laughing

Aug 24, 2011

Geofftrez 22 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Delete the edit or delete entries comment - just found it.
Very Happy

Aug 24, 2011

Geofftrez 22 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Nice App. Particularly like the access to food group data and the compact feel of the app. Also like the offline use - internet access isn't always available.
Suggestions:-
Add a medication option for user named medications.
For the autocalc to work could do with expected exercise- light/medium/hard
Entries should have an edit or delete option
Autocalc - should be able to overtype.
Geoff

Aug 23, 2011

KeithCl 43 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Android App

There is now a version in beta testing so as long as the feedback doesn't require a lot of changes there should be a released version generally available in two to three weeks time.

Keith

Aug 23, 2011

KeithCl 43 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Just emailed the beta to the 10 people that Simon provided email addresses for; looking forward to the feedback, Keith

Aug 23, 2011

sdickey 1 post

Topic: Questions for HCPs / Protein and Fats

Hi
I often struggle with Hypos after eating meals with protein / fat content because of the slowed absorption of glucose into the blood stream. I would like to understand whether these foods would also impact on the treatment of the hypo i.e. would the treatment's absorption into the blood be slowed?

If this is the case, how would you recommend I treat Hypos after eating foods high in protein?

Thanks
Steve

Aug 23, 2011

novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Simon said:
Don't cry!

An email will be hitting your inbox soon ;)

Thank you boss......... Rolling Eyes

Aug 23, 2011

Simon 578 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Don't cry!

An email will be hitting your inbox soon ;)

Aug 23, 2011

Tom Holt 2 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Diary Excel Export

Changing the format seems straightforward but there are a number of pitfalls:

1. Although you can stick a date-time value in a single column in excel, it will only allow you to present it as either date *or* time, not both.
2. Currently, all the columns in excel are formated as 'general' as a result of the conversion from csv to excel - It is impossible to specify a column format as being date or time using the csv protocol.
3. Because it is csv, the date-time is ultimately text - No matter which way you change it you will always need to do a DATEVALUE or TIMEVALUE conversion to get real date-time values into your worksheet. Changing the date format may just make this conversion a bit easier than what I have given above.

I will have a think about it but ultimately I think you may need 3 columns! Date, Time and Date-Time. This may actually be a benefit for graphing the results as it would make things more flexible (e.g. you could have time of day in the x-axis and overlay data from multiple days on the same graph).

Aug 23, 2011

novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Was I sent info on the app? Not got anything!......... Crying or Very sad

Aug 23, 2011

Simon 578 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Dear beta testers,

Feel free to use this post to ask questions on the app, suggest new features and highlight any problems.

Happy testing!

Simon

Aug 23, 2011

Simon 578 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Diary Excel Export

What date format do you need? I'm sure I could convert it in the diary export - just didn't know what excel wanted Smile

Aug 22, 2011

novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Diary Excel Export

Great walk though, and well done for working it out............ Cool

Aug 22, 2011

novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: General Discussion / EU Directive - Million Drivers face losing their licence.

grybek said:
The worrying aspect of this is the EU's take on what constitutes severe hypoglycaemia. They term it as, 'any episode where the assistance of another person is required.' I know Diabetes UK have commented on that and asked for a better definition. I just hope it doesn't lead to people not seeking assistance, but that is a possible scenario. It seems remarkably unfair that an episode at night could fall within this criteria. Perhaps I am concerned without good reason, it just seems to go against my desire to keep my levels within the targets.

I can definitely see your point about people not wanting to keep levels good just to avoid there license being revoked, however I know nothing will change for me personally as my diabetes is under control, i test before I am going drive, I know when I am likely to have hypos and I always carry hypo resolve..........

I expect everyone who has done the DAFNE course to feel the same as I, but what about the rest who have not had the chance we have............

Aug 22, 2011

grybek 2 posts

Topic: General Discussion / EU Directive - Million Drivers face losing their licence.

The worrying aspect of this is the EU's take on what constitutes severe hypoglycaemia. They term it as, 'any episode where the assistance of another person is required.' I know Diabetes UK have commented on that and asked for a better definition. I just hope it doesn't lead to people not seeking assistance, but that is a possible scenario. It seems remarkably unfair that an episode at night could fall within this criteria. Perhaps I am concerned without good reason, it just seems to go against my desire to keep my levels within the targets.

Aug 24, 2011 chrisinbrum 41 posts	Topic: General Discussion / EU Directive - Million Drivers face losing their licence. grybek said: The worrying aspect of this is the EU's take on what constitutes severe hypoglycaemia. They term it as, 'any episode where the assistance of another person is required.' I know Diabetes UK have commented on that and asked for a better definition. I just hope it doesn't lead to people not seeking assistance, but that is a possible scenario. It seems remarkably unfair that an episode at night could fall within this criteria. Perhaps I am concerned without good reason, it just seems to go against my desire to keep my levels within the targets. I think that if you have a hypo that needs someone else to help you, you're incredibly unlikely to be thinking clearly enough to say "hang on a minute - don't put that hypostop in my mouth, it'll mean i have to report it to the DVLA"! As DAFNE rules teach us, we should all test before and during driving and that way we're as safe as we can be...I wouldn't want to start increasing my HbA1 just to avoid going low. Stick to the best control you can get and make your MP and Diabetes UK stand up for common sense and fight on our behalf for safe but sensible rules.

Aug 24, 2011 Chris loughrey 21 posts	Topic: General Discussion / EU Directive - Million Drivers face losing their licence. Cant beat politicians meddling in people's lives and pretending that the world is black and white! The "EU" is a joke, a very bad one at that. This attempt at "law" will need years of attention by people who actually know the law before it could be considered usable for the public. Don't give it a second thought.

Aug 24, 2011 novorapidboi26 1,819 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing I agree it may not be suited to everyone and therefore demand wont influence supply.............. It just seems as if there is an automated function, then why not let it work out more than just the Carb/Insulin calculation....... My current meter, the freestyle insulinX does this, well, at least for Patient 1 anyway, so its not really much use in that sense for me, as I need to adjust my corrections manually........ PS........Apart from this mental idea of mine you have done a great job, no crashes, easy to use, does the job............well done..........

Aug 24, 2011 KeithCl 43 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Geofftrez said: ...target QA:CP ratio doesn't seem to be carried over to the posting page and is therefore excuded from the autocalc. Not sure what you mean here - please explain more. (The ratio comes from the Targets and can be edited and is used to calculate the QA. But yes the order that things are changed in matters which isn't great.) Agreed the layout (ratio being hidden) is problematic.

Aug 24, 2011 KeithCl 43 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing novorapidboi26 said: ...the auto calc fucntion could consider both ratio and varying correction doses... Your "Patient 1" example can be handled with the existing ratio mechanism (where the ratios are defined for different parts of the day in "Targets") right? Your "Patient 2" example would not be too hard to add but again its functionality not present in the iPhone app or this web site and also perhaps strays int the tool replacing people's own decisions. Hopefully Simon and others will add their comments on this too.

Aug 24, 2011 Geofftrez 22 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Yes to the corrections. As for the exercise option - I always do a rough mental calculation and then use the autocalc for a definative answer. CP would benefit from a decimal place so that I could input say a CP figure of 6.6 (66 gm) and the number keypad being the same as for BG (as the decimal point is on the next page). Being insulin and exercise sensitive has probably made me more precise than the norm. The target QA:CP ratio doesn't seem to be carried over to the posting page and is therefore excuded from the autocalc. The ratio is hidden by the number pad unless you have already edited it.

Aug 24, 2011 novorapidboi26 1,819 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing I think he was meaning the corrections to the QA value, as a correction is additional units of insulin on top of the auto calc QA for the carbs.......... With a ratio of 1.5:1 bg 11.7 CP = 8 QA = 12 It should normally be displayed as QA = 12+correction However the option to turn off auto calc is there so thats one way of avoiding missing out the correction dose... Another possible function that could be added to the targets section that could help with the corrections and the auto calc function is to allow the user to input how much 1 unit of insulin drops them by. For best results, being able to change the time of day/and or the level of blood glucose would be best. Example: Patient 1: 0600 - 1200 = 1 unit drops 2.5mmol/l 1200 - 1800 = 1 unit drops 2.0mmol/l 1800 - 0600 = I unit drops 2.5mmol/l Patient 2: [this is my case] below 10mmol/l - 1 unit drops 2.5mmol/l 10-13mmol/l = 1 unit drops 2.0mmol/l 13.17mmol/l = 1 unit drops 1.5mmol/l above 17mmol/l = 1 unit drops 1.0mmol/l I would imagine this could be quite tricky to implement, however if it could be done, then the auto calc fucntion could consider both ratio and varying correction doses, and actually give a dose that could be used as a check/confirmation as well as for record purposes.....

Aug 24, 2011 KeithCl 43 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Geofftrez said: The autocalc doesn't seem to take account of corrections. Do you mean corrections to the CP value e.g. when the CP value is 6+2 only the 6 part is used? If so yes I regard that as a bug and will fix.

Aug 24, 2011 KeithCl 43 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Geofftrez said: Add a medication option for user named medications. For the autocalc to work could do with expected exercise- light/medium/hard The functionality is pretty much a copy of the iPhone app and both apps complement the diary capabilities on this site. So a medication feature would probably best be added to all 3. The auto-calc is very simple; I had a brief exchange with Simon on this with the concern being that trying to make it fancier might leave people relying on it rather than doing their own thinking about the right QA dose to take.

Aug 24, 2011 Geofftrez 22 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing The autocalc doesn't seem to take account of corrections.

Aug 24, 2011 Geofftrez 22 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Scratch the autocalc overtype comment as already can. Shouldn't have been so hasty posting.

Aug 24, 2011 Geofftrez 22 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Delete the edit or delete entries comment - just found it.

Aug 24, 2011 Geofftrez 22 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Nice App. Particularly like the access to food group data and the compact feel of the app. Also like the offline use - internet access isn't always available. Suggestions:- Add a medication option for user named medications. For the autocalc to work could do with expected exercise- light/medium/hard Entries should have an edit or delete option Autocalc - should be able to overtype. Geoff

Aug 23, 2011 KeithCl 43 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Android App There is now a version in beta testing so as long as the feedback doesn't require a lot of changes there should be a released version generally available in two to three weeks time. Keith

Aug 23, 2011 KeithCl 43 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Just emailed the beta to the 10 people that Simon provided email addresses for; looking forward to the feedback, Keith

Aug 23, 2011 sdickey 1 post	Topic: Questions for HCPs / Protein and Fats Hi I often struggle with Hypos after eating meals with protein / fat content because of the slowed absorption of glucose into the blood stream. I would like to understand whether these foods would also impact on the treatment of the hypo i.e. would the treatment's absorption into the blood be slowed? If this is the case, how would you recommend I treat Hypos after eating foods high in protein? Thanks Steve

Aug 23, 2011 novorapidboi26 1,819 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Simon said: Don't cry! An email will be hitting your inbox soon ;) Thank you boss.........

Aug 23, 2011 Simon 578 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Don't cry! An email will be hitting your inbox soon ;)

Aug 23, 2011 Tom Holt 2 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Diary Excel Export Changing the format seems straightforward but there are a number of pitfalls: 1. Although you can stick a date-time value in a single column in excel, it will only allow you to present it as either date or time, not both. 2. Currently, all the columns in excel are formated as 'general' as a result of the conversion from csv to excel - It is impossible to specify a column format as being date or time using the csv protocol. 3. Because it is csv, the date-time is ultimately text - No matter which way you change it you will always need to do a DATEVALUE or TIMEVALUE conversion to get real date-time values into your worksheet. Changing the date format may just make this conversion a bit easier than what I have given above. I will have a think about it but ultimately I think you may need 3 columns! Date, Time and Date-Time. This may actually be a benefit for graphing the results as it would make things more flexible (e.g. you could have time of day in the x-axis and overlay data from multiple days on the same graph).

Aug 23, 2011 novorapidboi26 1,819 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Was I sent info on the app? Not got anything!.........

Aug 23, 2011 Simon 578 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Dear beta testers, Feel free to use this post to ask questions on the app, suggest new features and highlight any problems. Happy testing! Simon

Aug 23, 2011 Simon 578 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Diary Excel Export What date format do you need? I'm sure I could convert it in the diary export - just didn't know what excel wanted

Aug 22, 2011 novorapidboi26 1,819 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Diary Excel Export Great walk though, and well done for working it out............

Aug 22, 2011 novorapidboi26 1,819 posts	Topic: General Discussion / EU Directive - Million Drivers face losing their licence. grybek said: The worrying aspect of this is the EU's take on what constitutes severe hypoglycaemia. They term it as, 'any episode where the assistance of another person is required.' I know Diabetes UK have commented on that and asked for a better definition. I just hope it doesn't lead to people not seeking assistance, but that is a possible scenario. It seems remarkably unfair that an episode at night could fall within this criteria. Perhaps I am concerned without good reason, it just seems to go against my desire to keep my levels within the targets. I can definitely see your point about people not wanting to keep levels good just to avoid there license being revoked, however I know nothing will change for me personally as my diabetes is under control, i test before I am going drive, I know when I am likely to have hypos and I always carry hypo resolve.......... I expect everyone who has done the DAFNE course to feel the same as I, but what about the rest who have not had the chance we have............

Aug 22, 2011 grybek 2 posts	Topic: General Discussion / EU Directive - Million Drivers face losing their licence. The worrying aspect of this is the EU's take on what constitutes severe hypoglycaemia. They term it as, 'any episode where the assistance of another person is required.' I know Diabetes UK have commented on that and asked for a better definition. I just hope it doesn't lead to people not seeking assistance, but that is a possible scenario. It seems remarkably unfair that an episode at night could fall within this criteria. Perhaps I am concerned without good reason, it just seems to go against my desire to keep my levels within the targets.