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Aug 26, 2011

KeithCl 43 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Headspace said:

5. On entry, the first box I go to is BG. Can we have BG as the fist box on entries rather than CP? Or is this a requirement for Dafne consistency?
6. The ability to put a decimal point in the CP box would be helpful. Somebody's already made this point I think.
8. Is it possible to have a 'user defined' list of foods/meals please? For those of us who cook at home in large batches, it would be helpful to have the ability to add 'portion of shephers pie' or similar, especially once we've managed to work out roughly how many CPs are in it.
9. Is there a possibility of memorising a previously entered comment. Eg, i'm having to enter Toast in the morning for breakfast, whereas if I access the online BG diary via android, it recognises previous entries in that field and as soon as 'T' is keyed in, Toast is one of the options. just a cosmetic thing really.
10. Agree with Geofftrez's cosmetic suggestion for shortcut to food listings. Really helpful.

Thanks for the detailed feedback. Quick responses to some of the points:

5. Yes CP first is taken from standard DAFNE diaries etc. As you have to touch to edit anyway does the order really matter?
6. Yes needs fixing; will be in next beta version.
8. I see that that feature has just been added to the iPhone app; a candidate feature for Android in the future too.
9. Certainly a possibility but not for the first release.
10. Perhaps a hyperlink on the "CP" heading; if its quick to do I'll add it in the next beta version.

Aug 26, 2011

KeithCl 43 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Geofftrez said:
Another cosmetic suggestiion. When eating I open a notepad to add up individual CP values. This could be built into the data entry CP data box. If it had the option to add up say 8 figures and post the total into the CP field.

If you do a long touch on the CP field on my phone you get offered a menu where you can choose a different input method (soft keyboard); perhaps that is where a simple adder dialog could be launched from.

Aug 26, 2011

Geofftrez 22 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Headspace said:
3. Stalls a little when saving after adding/additng entry, particualrly when in areas of low connectivity.

I would recommend going to settings and unchecking diary upload - Its amazing how often we have poor conectivity. You can then do a manual upload when you know you have a good connection.

Aug 26, 2011

Geofftrez 22 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Another cosmetic suggestiion. When eating I open a notepad to add up individual CP values. This could be built into the data entry CP data box. If it had the option to add up say 8 figures and post the total into the CP field.

Aug 26, 2011

Headspace 9 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Some feedback from me (using Galaxy S2, with android 2.3.3). Firstly, an excellent app, and thanks for cracking on with developing it.

1. Overall look and feel are great. Clean and vibrant.

2. Forced close on editting entries - this was very early on and seems to have sorted itself out.

3. Stalls a little when saving after adding/additng entry, particualrly when in areas of low connectivity.

4. Choice of pre-defined ratios is welcome, once I'd read Geofftrez's comments about altering these in settings. Perhaps this could be made clearer - I had two or three days when I was manually changing ratios from the default 1:1 every time. Also, unsure why there's a default ration in categories before and after exercise, hypoglycaemia, driving, BI etc. Happy to be challenged on this though.

5. On entry, the first box I go to is BG. Can we have BG as the fist box on entries rather than CP? Or is this a requirement for Dafne consistency?

6. The ability to put a decimal point in the CP box would be helpful. Somebody's already made this point I think.

7. In entries, the current day is listed at the top (which is a marked improvement on the online BG diary). However, the following day is also in descending order which makes going from one to the other not as easy as it might be if they were all in descending order. Others may have a view on this though.

Some comments on food listings
8. Is it possible to have a 'user defined' list of foods/meals please? For those of us who cook at home in large batches, it would be helpful to have the ability to add 'portion of shephers pie' or similar, especially once we've managed to work out roughly how many CPs are in it.

9. Is there a possibility of memorising a previously entered comment. Eg, i'm having to enter Toast in the morning for breakfast, whereas if I access the online BG diary via android, it recognises previous entries in that field and as soon as 'T' is keyed in, Toast is one of the options. just a cosmetic thing really.

10. Agree with Geofftrez's cosmetic suggestion for shortcut to food listings. Really helpful.

11. Jacket postato is listed in the foodlistings as 10 CPs by the way. Not sure who oversees this part of the system.

Suggestions
12. One issue that's been annoying me for a while. Sometimes when I administer BI I also need to adminsiter QA. However recording two separate injection sites in one entry appears to be impossible. Can we have two boxes, or is this going to be a case of having two entries for one blood test result.

13. Also, when I re-look at the list of tests in the Dafne online BG diary, I don't see all the entries for BI. Now that's probably because I haven't entered BI, but then do I need to enter BI just because its 22:30 (when i take my BI) when actually the rreason I'm testing is also because I fancy a snack or I'm hypo, so i record the test rationale accordingly - not as BI. Something to be worked through perhaps?

Anyway, a great start. Thanks for all the hard work.

Brian

Aug 26, 2011

Geofftrez 22 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

A cosmetic suggestion:
add entry opens the posting screen for BG CP QA and BI (shouldn't BG come first)
I love having all this on one screen - saves time entering data. I check BG pre meal and keep the screen active untill I record CP and QA.
If you need to look up CP's for a type of food I am forced to save, look up the food type and then edit the entry to continue posting.
Would it be possible to have a shortcut to foodgroups or alphabetic on the data entry screen so that once you have looked up the food item you can continue with the posting.

With regards to Simons post - add data fields(for each mealtime/incident) for ratio CP:BG default 1:2.5 QA:BG default 1:2.5.

Aug 26, 2011

KeithCl 43 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Geofftrez said:
Tergets left as default. ratio 1:1
add entry - before breakfast BG 12 CP 5 Autocalc is 5 - I would have expected 5 + 2 = 7
add entry - before lunch BG17 CP 5 Autocalc is 5
settings shows version 1.1.r255 BETA

Ok I see. Yes that is not implemented and is also not present in the iPhone version.

See Simon's most recent comment: if we can agree how it should work then it is a candidate to add in the future.

Aug 26, 2011

Geofftrez 22 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Tergets left as default. ratio 1:1
add entry - before breakfast BG 12 CP 5 Autocalc is 5 - I would have expected 5 + 2 = 7
add entry - before lunch BG17 CP 5 Autocalc is 5
settings shows version 1.1.r255 BETA

Aug 26, 2011

KeithCl 43 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Geofftrez said:
Just downloaded the latest version. The autocalc still seems to ignore any correction.

The autocalc on the edit page works by applying the displayed QA:CP ratio to the CP value as it is typed in and putting the result in the QA field. The bug I fixed was that corrections to the CP value were not being counted so a CP of 6+2 was being counted as 6 not 8. That fix is working for me.

Please describe in more detail what is not working for you.

I'll fix the decimal place problem in the next beta version by also allowing 1 decimal place for the CP, QA and BI fields. My mistake - didn't realise that the diary on this site allows decimals for those values.

Aug 26, 2011

Geofftrez 22 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Just downloaded the latest version. The autocalc still seems to ignore any correction. The other changes seem fine. Still think CP should cope with 1/10 units. Its illogical that BG is to 1 decimal place whilst CP are in whole numbers when 1CP = circa 2.5 BG. Some insulin pens now do .5 units.

Aug 26, 2011

KeithCl 43 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

KeithCl said:
I propose these changes:

1. If in "Auto-Calculate QA" mode, update the QA value if either the CP value or the QA:CP value changes.
2. If the Type field is changed, always update the QA:CP field to the value stored in Targets.
3. Distinguish visually between a manually entered QA or QA:CP value and an automatically populated one (using italics for the latter) to provide a visual hint on what is going on.
4. Fix the bug identified earlier where a CP of 6+2 is only counted as 6 in the "Auto-Calculate QA" mode rather than as 8.
5. Fix the bug where when editing an existing entry the QA:CP ratio was always being set to the default (from the Targets) not the previously saved value.

The beta download has been updated (in fact a little over a day ago) to version 1.1.r255 BETA that has the above changes/fixes in it. If you installed before then please repeat the installation process - your existing data and settings will be preserved. If you are unsure of the version you have you can check the version number by scrolling to the end of the Settings.

Aug 25, 2011

Simon 578 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Glad to see there's been some constructive discussion on this already. Thanks to Keith for all of his efforts so far, and our beta testers for their efforts in providing speedy feedback.

On the correction dosage calculation, the DAFNE guidelines state that 1 extra IU will bring down your BG by 2-3 mmol/l, which is quite a large range, and could mean the difference between having a hypo or not. As app developer I didn't want to set myself up as a target for any legal action in case the app was seen to be giving medical advice which then caused somebody to have a hypo.

That said, after reviewing this discussion I think that if we implemented smethingsimilar to novorapidvoi's patient 1 and 2 examples above, then it will lessen the risk of legal action as the users are still choosing the numbers themselves. I'll investigate the iPhone app and see how easy it would be to do.

Aug 25, 2011

Guy Kramer 12 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Android app

Hello Simon,

I have sent an email to offer my services for testing the app, I also have experience with testing when working for software companies.

Regards
Guy

Aug 25, 2011

maria51 22 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / Protein and Fats

sdickey said:
Hi
I often struggle with Hypos after eating meals with protein / fat content because of the slowed absorption of glucose into the blood stream. I would like to understand whether these foods would also impact on the treatment of the hypo i.e. would the treatment's absorption into the blood be slowed?

If this is the case, how would you recommend I treat Hypos after eating foods high in protein?

Thanks
Steve

Hey Steve, It would be best to post your BGLs etc on the online diary to get a visual as it's more helpful to get the info you require. I find when eating food containing fat that I go the other way & stay high for up to 6 or 7 hours after!!
Good luck.

Aug 25, 2011

Doc_46 3 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Simon said:
Dear beta testers,

Feel free to use this post to ask questions on the app, suggest new features and highlight any problems.

Happy testing!

Simon

Hi All,

Just downloaded the App last night and I'm really happy with it. The food group info is going to be
a major bonus for me.
I v'e just been playing around with the app really and I'm impressed with its responsiveness and how smooth
it runs compared to other apps I have on my budget LG GT540 Andriod phone.
I'll leave the nitty gritty in the capable hands of Keith and Novorapidboi26 etc...I'd be quite
happy with a message that recommends an adjustment when your BG level falls outside your set target.
So Far So Good though. Thanks a million.

Aug 24, 2011

KeithCl 43 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

I propose these changes:

1. If in "Auto-Calculate QA" mode, update the QA value if either the CP value or the QA:CP value changes.
2. If the Type field is changed, always update the QA:CP field to the value stored in Targets.
3. Distinguish visually between a manually entered QA or QA:CP value and an automatically populated one (using italics for the latter) to provide a visual hint on what is going on.
4. Fix the bug identified earlier where a CP of 6+2 is only counted as 6 in the "Auto-Calculate QA" mode rather than as 8.
5. Fix the bug where when editing an existing entry the QA:CP ratio was always being set to the default (from the Targets) not the previously saved value.

Aug 24, 2011

Geofftrez 22 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

KeithC1 said:
If I set the ratio in the Targets to 3:1 it is brought through into the add entry. But it isn't updated further if you then change the type, the problem being that the QA:CP field on the add entry can also be manually updated (but perhaps should be).

The software seems to try and anticipate what meal it is. I have set breakfast and lunch ratios to 1:1, and dinner and bed to 3:1. If I go to add entry it defaults to pre dinner with a ratio of 3:1. If I change that to pre lunch it should default to the lunch ratio but doesnt - it stays at 3:1. ie as you said if you alter the type the QA:CP doesnt auto update.

Aug 24, 2011

KeithCl 43 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Geofftrez said:

If you set the target QA:CP ratio for dinner to 3:1 then go to add entry dinner - it still defaults to 1:1

If I set the ratio in the Targets to 3:1 it is brought through into the add entry. But it isn't updated further if you then change the type, the problem being that the QA:CP field on the add entry can also be manually updated (but perhaps should be).

Please add a bit more detail on the problem you are seeing.

Aug 24, 2011

Geofftrez 22 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Geofftrez said:
...target QA:CP ratio doesn't seem to be carried over to the posting page and is therefore excuded from the autocalc.

KeithC1 said:
Not sure what you mean here - please explain more. (The ratio comes from the Targets and can be edited and is used to calculate the QA. But yes the order that things are changed in matters which isn't great.)

If you set the target QA:CP ratio for dinner to 3:1 then go to add entry dinner - it still defaults to 1:1

Aug 24, 2011

chrisinbrum 41 posts

Topic: General Discussion / EU Directive - Million Drivers face losing their licence.

grybek said:
The worrying aspect of this is the EU's take on what constitutes severe hypoglycaemia. They term it as, 'any episode where the assistance of another person is required.' I know Diabetes UK have commented on that and asked for a better definition. I just hope it doesn't lead to people not seeking assistance, but that is a possible scenario. It seems remarkably unfair that an episode at night could fall within this criteria. Perhaps I am concerned without good reason, it just seems to go against my desire to keep my levels within the targets.

I think that if you have a hypo that needs someone else to help you, you're incredibly unlikely to be thinking clearly enough to say "hang on a minute - don't put that hypostop in my mouth, it'll mean i have to report it to the DVLA"!
As DAFNE rules teach us, we should all test before and during driving and that way we're as safe as we can be...I wouldn't want to start increasing my HbA1 just to avoid going low. Stick to the best control you can get and make your MP and Diabetes UK stand up for common sense and fight on our behalf for safe but sensible rules. Smile

Aug 24, 2011

Chris loughrey 21 posts

Topic: General Discussion / EU Directive - Million Drivers face losing their licence.

Cant beat politicians meddling in people's lives and pretending that the world is black and white!

The "EU" is a joke, a very bad one at that.

This attempt at "law" will need years of attention by people who actually know the law before it could be considered usable for the public. Don't give it a second thought.

Aug 24, 2011

novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

I agree it may not be suited to everyone and therefore demand wont influence supply..............

It just seems as if there is an automated function, then why not let it work out more than just the Carb/Insulin calculation.......

My current meter, the freestyle insulinX does this, well, at least for Patient 1 anyway, so its not really much use in that sense for me, as I need to adjust my corrections manually........

PS........Apart from this mental idea of mine you have done a great job, no crashes, easy to use, does the job............well done..........

Aug 24, 2011

KeithCl 43 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Geofftrez said:
...target QA:CP ratio doesn't seem to be carried over to the posting page and is therefore excuded from the autocalc.

Not sure what you mean here - please explain more. (The ratio comes from the Targets and can be edited and is used to calculate the QA. But yes the order that things are changed in matters which isn't great.)

Agreed the layout (ratio being hidden) is problematic.

Aug 24, 2011

KeithCl 43 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

novorapidboi26 said:
...the auto calc fucntion could consider both ratio and varying correction doses...

Your "Patient 1" example can be handled with the existing ratio mechanism (where the ratios are defined for different parts of the day in "Targets") right?

Your "Patient 2" example would not be too hard to add but again its functionality not present in the iPhone app or this web site and also perhaps strays int the tool replacing people's own decisions. Hopefully Simon and others will add their comments on this too.

Aug 24, 2011

Geofftrez 22 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Yes to the corrections.
As for the exercise option - I always do a rough mental calculation and then use the autocalc for a definative answer.

CP would benefit from a decimal place so that I could input say a CP figure of 6.6 (66 gm) and the number keypad being the same as for BG (as the decimal point is on the next page). Being insulin and exercise sensitive has probably made me more precise than the norm. The target QA:CP ratio doesn't seem to be carried over to the posting page and is therefore excuded from the autocalc. The ratio is hidden by the number pad unless you have already edited it.

Aug 26, 2011 KeithCl 43 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Headspace said: 5. On entry, the first box I go to is BG. Can we have BG as the fist box on entries rather than CP? Or is this a requirement for Dafne consistency? 6. The ability to put a decimal point in the CP box would be helpful. Somebody's already made this point I think. 8. Is it possible to have a 'user defined' list of foods/meals please? For those of us who cook at home in large batches, it would be helpful to have the ability to add 'portion of shephers pie' or similar, especially once we've managed to work out roughly how many CPs are in it. 9. Is there a possibility of memorising a previously entered comment. Eg, i'm having to enter Toast in the morning for breakfast, whereas if I access the online BG diary via android, it recognises previous entries in that field and as soon as 'T' is keyed in, Toast is one of the options. just a cosmetic thing really. 10. Agree with Geofftrez's cosmetic suggestion for shortcut to food listings. Really helpful. Thanks for the detailed feedback. Quick responses to some of the points: 5. Yes CP first is taken from standard DAFNE diaries etc. As you have to touch to edit anyway does the order really matter? 6. Yes needs fixing; will be in next beta version. 8. I see that that feature has just been added to the iPhone app; a candidate feature for Android in the future too. 9. Certainly a possibility but not for the first release. 10. Perhaps a hyperlink on the "CP" heading; if its quick to do I'll add it in the next beta version.

Aug 26, 2011 KeithCl 43 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Geofftrez said: Another cosmetic suggestiion. When eating I open a notepad to add up individual CP values. This could be built into the data entry CP data box. If it had the option to add up say 8 figures and post the total into the CP field. If you do a long touch on the CP field on my phone you get offered a menu where you can choose a different input method (soft keyboard); perhaps that is where a simple adder dialog could be launched from.

Aug 26, 2011 Geofftrez 22 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Headspace said: 3. Stalls a little when saving after adding/additng entry, particualrly when in areas of low connectivity. I would recommend going to settings and unchecking diary upload - Its amazing how often we have poor conectivity. You can then do a manual upload when you know you have a good connection.

Aug 26, 2011 Geofftrez 22 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Another cosmetic suggestiion. When eating I open a notepad to add up individual CP values. This could be built into the data entry CP data box. If it had the option to add up say 8 figures and post the total into the CP field.

Aug 26, 2011 Headspace 9 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Some feedback from me (using Galaxy S2, with android 2.3.3). Firstly, an excellent app, and thanks for cracking on with developing it. 1. Overall look and feel are great. Clean and vibrant. 2. Forced close on editting entries - this was very early on and seems to have sorted itself out. 3. Stalls a little when saving after adding/additng entry, particualrly when in areas of low connectivity. 4. Choice of pre-defined ratios is welcome, once I'd read Geofftrez's comments about altering these in settings. Perhaps this could be made clearer - I had two or three days when I was manually changing ratios from the default 1:1 every time. Also, unsure why there's a default ration in categories before and after exercise, hypoglycaemia, driving, BI etc. Happy to be challenged on this though. 5. On entry, the first box I go to is BG. Can we have BG as the fist box on entries rather than CP? Or is this a requirement for Dafne consistency? 6. The ability to put a decimal point in the CP box would be helpful. Somebody's already made this point I think. 7. In entries, the current day is listed at the top (which is a marked improvement on the online BG diary). However, the following day is also in descending order which makes going from one to the other not as easy as it might be if they were all in descending order. Others may have a view on this though. Some comments on food listings 8. Is it possible to have a 'user defined' list of foods/meals please? For those of us who cook at home in large batches, it would be helpful to have the ability to add 'portion of shephers pie' or similar, especially once we've managed to work out roughly how many CPs are in it. 9. Is there a possibility of memorising a previously entered comment. Eg, i'm having to enter Toast in the morning for breakfast, whereas if I access the online BG diary via android, it recognises previous entries in that field and as soon as 'T' is keyed in, Toast is one of the options. just a cosmetic thing really. 10. Agree with Geofftrez's cosmetic suggestion for shortcut to food listings. Really helpful. 11. Jacket postato is listed in the foodlistings as 10 CPs by the way. Not sure who oversees this part of the system. Suggestions 12. One issue that's been annoying me for a while. Sometimes when I administer BI I also need to adminsiter QA. However recording two separate injection sites in one entry appears to be impossible. Can we have two boxes, or is this going to be a case of having two entries for one blood test result. 13. Also, when I re-look at the list of tests in the Dafne online BG diary, I don't see all the entries for BI. Now that's probably because I haven't entered BI, but then do I need to enter BI just because its 22:30 (when i take my BI) when actually the rreason I'm testing is also because I fancy a snack or I'm hypo, so i record the test rationale accordingly - not as BI. Something to be worked through perhaps? Anyway, a great start. Thanks for all the hard work. Brian

Aug 26, 2011 Geofftrez 22 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing A cosmetic suggestion: add entry opens the posting screen for BG CP QA and BI (shouldn't BG come first) I love having all this on one screen - saves time entering data. I check BG pre meal and keep the screen active untill I record CP and QA. If you need to look up CP's for a type of food I am forced to save, look up the food type and then edit the entry to continue posting. Would it be possible to have a shortcut to foodgroups or alphabetic on the data entry screen so that once you have looked up the food item you can continue with the posting. With regards to Simons post - add data fields(for each mealtime/incident) for ratio CP:BG default 1:2.5 QA:BG default 1:2.5.

Aug 26, 2011 KeithCl 43 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Geofftrez said: Tergets left as default. ratio 1:1 add entry - before breakfast BG 12 CP 5 Autocalc is 5 - I would have expected 5 + 2 = 7 add entry - before lunch BG17 CP 5 Autocalc is 5 settings shows version 1.1.r255 BETA Ok I see. Yes that is not implemented and is also not present in the iPhone version. See Simon's most recent comment: if we can agree how it should work then it is a candidate to add in the future.

Aug 26, 2011 Geofftrez 22 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Tergets left as default. ratio 1:1 add entry - before breakfast BG 12 CP 5 Autocalc is 5 - I would have expected 5 + 2 = 7 add entry - before lunch BG17 CP 5 Autocalc is 5 settings shows version 1.1.r255 BETA

Aug 26, 2011 KeithCl 43 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Geofftrez said: Just downloaded the latest version. The autocalc still seems to ignore any correction. The autocalc on the edit page works by applying the displayed QA:CP ratio to the CP value as it is typed in and putting the result in the QA field. The bug I fixed was that corrections to the CP value were not being counted so a CP of 6+2 was being counted as 6 not 8. That fix is working for me. Please describe in more detail what is not working for you. I'll fix the decimal place problem in the next beta version by also allowing 1 decimal place for the CP, QA and BI fields. My mistake - didn't realise that the diary on this site allows decimals for those values.

Aug 26, 2011 Geofftrez 22 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Just downloaded the latest version. The autocalc still seems to ignore any correction. The other changes seem fine. Still think CP should cope with 1/10 units. Its illogical that BG is to 1 decimal place whilst CP are in whole numbers when 1CP = circa 2.5 BG. Some insulin pens now do .5 units.

Aug 26, 2011 KeithCl 43 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing KeithCl said: I propose these changes: 1. If in "Auto-Calculate QA" mode, update the QA value if either the CP value or the QA:CP value changes. 2. If the Type field is changed, always update the QA:CP field to the value stored in Targets. 3. Distinguish visually between a manually entered QA or QA:CP value and an automatically populated one (using italics for the latter) to provide a visual hint on what is going on. 4. Fix the bug identified earlier where a CP of 6+2 is only counted as 6 in the "Auto-Calculate QA" mode rather than as 8. 5. Fix the bug where when editing an existing entry the QA:CP ratio was always being set to the default (from the Targets) not the previously saved value. The beta download has been updated (in fact a little over a day ago) to version 1.1.r255 BETA that has the above changes/fixes in it. If you installed before then please repeat the installation process - your existing data and settings will be preserved. If you are unsure of the version you have you can check the version number by scrolling to the end of the Settings.

Aug 25, 2011 Simon 578 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Glad to see there's been some constructive discussion on this already. Thanks to Keith for all of his efforts so far, and our beta testers for their efforts in providing speedy feedback. On the correction dosage calculation, the DAFNE guidelines state that 1 extra IU will bring down your BG by 2-3 mmol/l, which is quite a large range, and could mean the difference between having a hypo or not. As app developer I didn't want to set myself up as a target for any legal action in case the app was seen to be giving medical advice which then caused somebody to have a hypo. That said, after reviewing this discussion I think that if we implemented smethingsimilar to novorapidvoi's patient 1 and 2 examples above, then it will lessen the risk of legal action as the users are still choosing the numbers themselves. I'll investigate the iPhone app and see how easy it would be to do.

Aug 25, 2011 Guy Kramer 12 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Android app Hello Simon, I have sent an email to offer my services for testing the app, I also have experience with testing when working for software companies. Regards Guy

Aug 25, 2011 maria51 22 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / Protein and Fats sdickey said: Hi I often struggle with Hypos after eating meals with protein / fat content because of the slowed absorption of glucose into the blood stream. I would like to understand whether these foods would also impact on the treatment of the hypo i.e. would the treatment's absorption into the blood be slowed? If this is the case, how would you recommend I treat Hypos after eating foods high in protein? Thanks Steve Hey Steve, It would be best to post your BGLs etc on the online diary to get a visual as it's more helpful to get the info you require. I find when eating food containing fat that I go the other way & stay high for up to 6 or 7 hours after!! Good luck.

Aug 25, 2011 Doc_46 3 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Simon said: Dear beta testers, Feel free to use this post to ask questions on the app, suggest new features and highlight any problems. Happy testing! Simon Hi All, Just downloaded the App last night and I'm really happy with it. The food group info is going to be a major bonus for me. I v'e just been playing around with the app really and I'm impressed with its responsiveness and how smooth it runs compared to other apps I have on my budget LG GT540 Andriod phone. I'll leave the nitty gritty in the capable hands of Keith and Novorapidboi26 etc...I'd be quite happy with a message that recommends an adjustment when your BG level falls outside your set target. So Far So Good though. Thanks a million.

Aug 24, 2011 KeithCl 43 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing I propose these changes: 1. If in "Auto-Calculate QA" mode, update the QA value if either the CP value or the QA:CP value changes. 2. If the Type field is changed, always update the QA:CP field to the value stored in Targets. 3. Distinguish visually between a manually entered QA or QA:CP value and an automatically populated one (using italics for the latter) to provide a visual hint on what is going on. 4. Fix the bug identified earlier where a CP of 6+2 is only counted as 6 in the "Auto-Calculate QA" mode rather than as 8. 5. Fix the bug where when editing an existing entry the QA:CP ratio was always being set to the default (from the Targets) not the previously saved value.

Aug 24, 2011 Geofftrez 22 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing KeithC1 said: If I set the ratio in the Targets to 3:1 it is brought through into the add entry. But it isn't updated further if you then change the type, the problem being that the QA:CP field on the add entry can also be manually updated (but perhaps should be). The software seems to try and anticipate what meal it is. I have set breakfast and lunch ratios to 1:1, and dinner and bed to 3:1. If I go to add entry it defaults to pre dinner with a ratio of 3:1. If I change that to pre lunch it should default to the lunch ratio but doesnt - it stays at 3:1. ie as you said if you alter the type the QA:CP doesnt auto update.

Aug 24, 2011 KeithCl 43 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Geofftrez said: If you set the target QA:CP ratio for dinner to 3:1 then go to add entry dinner - it still defaults to 1:1 If I set the ratio in the Targets to 3:1 it is brought through into the add entry. But it isn't updated further if you then change the type, the problem being that the QA:CP field on the add entry can also be manually updated (but perhaps should be). Please add a bit more detail on the problem you are seeing.

Aug 24, 2011 Geofftrez 22 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Geofftrez said: ...target QA:CP ratio doesn't seem to be carried over to the posting page and is therefore excuded from the autocalc. KeithC1 said: Not sure what you mean here - please explain more. (The ratio comes from the Targets and can be edited and is used to calculate the QA. But yes the order that things are changed in matters which isn't great.) If you set the target QA:CP ratio for dinner to 3:1 then go to add entry dinner - it still defaults to 1:1

Aug 24, 2011 chrisinbrum 41 posts	Topic: General Discussion / EU Directive - Million Drivers face losing their licence. grybek said: The worrying aspect of this is the EU's take on what constitutes severe hypoglycaemia. They term it as, 'any episode where the assistance of another person is required.' I know Diabetes UK have commented on that and asked for a better definition. I just hope it doesn't lead to people not seeking assistance, but that is a possible scenario. It seems remarkably unfair that an episode at night could fall within this criteria. Perhaps I am concerned without good reason, it just seems to go against my desire to keep my levels within the targets. I think that if you have a hypo that needs someone else to help you, you're incredibly unlikely to be thinking clearly enough to say "hang on a minute - don't put that hypostop in my mouth, it'll mean i have to report it to the DVLA"! As DAFNE rules teach us, we should all test before and during driving and that way we're as safe as we can be...I wouldn't want to start increasing my HbA1 just to avoid going low. Stick to the best control you can get and make your MP and Diabetes UK stand up for common sense and fight on our behalf for safe but sensible rules.

Aug 24, 2011 Chris loughrey 21 posts	Topic: General Discussion / EU Directive - Million Drivers face losing their licence. Cant beat politicians meddling in people's lives and pretending that the world is black and white! The "EU" is a joke, a very bad one at that. This attempt at "law" will need years of attention by people who actually know the law before it could be considered usable for the public. Don't give it a second thought.

Aug 24, 2011 novorapidboi26 1,819 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing I agree it may not be suited to everyone and therefore demand wont influence supply.............. It just seems as if there is an automated function, then why not let it work out more than just the Carb/Insulin calculation....... My current meter, the freestyle insulinX does this, well, at least for Patient 1 anyway, so its not really much use in that sense for me, as I need to adjust my corrections manually........ PS........Apart from this mental idea of mine you have done a great job, no crashes, easy to use, does the job............well done..........

Aug 24, 2011 KeithCl 43 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Geofftrez said: ...target QA:CP ratio doesn't seem to be carried over to the posting page and is therefore excuded from the autocalc. Not sure what you mean here - please explain more. (The ratio comes from the Targets and can be edited and is used to calculate the QA. But yes the order that things are changed in matters which isn't great.) Agreed the layout (ratio being hidden) is problematic.

Aug 24, 2011 KeithCl 43 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing novorapidboi26 said: ...the auto calc fucntion could consider both ratio and varying correction doses... Your "Patient 1" example can be handled with the existing ratio mechanism (where the ratios are defined for different parts of the day in "Targets") right? Your "Patient 2" example would not be too hard to add but again its functionality not present in the iPhone app or this web site and also perhaps strays int the tool replacing people's own decisions. Hopefully Simon and others will add their comments on this too.

Aug 24, 2011 Geofftrez 22 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Yes to the corrections. As for the exercise option - I always do a rough mental calculation and then use the autocalc for a definative answer. CP would benefit from a decimal place so that I could input say a CP figure of 6.6 (66 gm) and the number keypad being the same as for BG (as the decimal point is on the next page). Being insulin and exercise sensitive has probably made me more precise than the norm. The target QA:CP ratio doesn't seem to be carried over to the posting page and is therefore excuded from the autocalc. The ratio is hidden by the number pad unless you have already edited it.