EU Directive - Million Drivers face losing their licence.

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grybek
Dartford and Gravesham NHS Trust
2 posts

Published in the Daily Mail today: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2028152/Million-drivers-face-losing-licence-EU-diabetes-diktat.html

'Under a new definition of the rules to meet an EU directive, a diabetic who has two hypos in a year – even while in bed – will end up banned from driving.'

This will have a serious negative impact on all type 1 diabetics if true. No driver will keep a Diary as this could be used to ban you from driving. As could a Blood Glucose monitor with a memory. It will also not be long before insurance companies use this as a get out clause. No-one will admit to a hypo. And I suspect a fair few will no longer aim for a good target and tend to keep their levels high. Be warned !

Alan 49 DAFNE Graduate
Maidstone & Tunbridge Wells NHS Trust
284 posts

I'm always a bit dubious about things that appear in the Daily Mail, but they seem to have got this right. I found this on the DUK website:

http://www.diabetes.org.uk/About_us/Our_Views/Consultations/Past_responses/DVLA--Consultation-on-amending-medical--driving-licence-standards/

I agree with grybek - this could be very serious indeed.

novorapidboi26 DAFNE Graduate
NHS Lanarkshire
1,819 posts

I have heard this from other sources also, but a significant point to note is the DVLAs definition of hypo, and in this case the hypo they are referring to are ones that require the assistance of someone else..........

Not a lot of people will actually let the DVLA know if they are having hypos, even though, if you do have a bad one, the right thing to do is to let them know......

As type 1 diabetics we will always have hypos, its just part of life........

melpessoa DAFNE Graduate
Croydon NHS
7 posts

This is why whenever I get a job I never tell anyone I am diabetic and take insulin. They say there is no prejudice but I do not believe it.
I work hard first and afterwards I say that in fact, I am diabetic and I take insulin. There is much more value.

grybek
Dartford and Gravesham NHS Trust
2 posts

The worrying aspect of this is the EU's take on what constitutes severe hypoglycaemia. They term it as, 'any episode where the assistance of another person is required.' I know Diabetes UK have commented on that and asked for a better definition. I just hope it doesn't lead to people not seeking assistance, but that is a possible scenario. It seems remarkably unfair that an episode at night could fall within this criteria. Perhaps I am concerned without good reason, it just seems to go against my desire to keep my levels within the targets.

novorapidboi26 DAFNE Graduate
NHS Lanarkshire
1,819 posts

grybek said:
The worrying aspect of this is the EU's take on what constitutes severe hypoglycaemia. They term it as, 'any episode where the assistance of another person is required.' I know Diabetes UK have commented on that and asked for a better definition. I just hope it doesn't lead to people not seeking assistance, but that is a possible scenario. It seems remarkably unfair that an episode at night could fall within this criteria. Perhaps I am concerned without good reason, it just seems to go against my desire to keep my levels within the targets.



I can definitely see your point about people not wanting to keep levels good just to avoid there license being revoked, however I know nothing will change for me personally as my diabetes is under control, i test before I am going drive, I know when I am likely to have hypos and I always carry hypo resolve..........

I expect everyone who has done the DAFNE course to feel the same as I, but what about the rest who have not had the chance we have............

Chris loughrey DAFNE Graduate
University College Hospital, Galway
21 posts

Cant beat politicians meddling in people's lives and pretending that the world is black and white!

The "EU" is a joke, a very bad one at that.

This attempt at "law" will need years of attention by people who actually know the law before it could be considered usable for the public. Don't give it a second thought.

chrisinbrum DAFNE Graduate
University Hospitals Birmingham NHS Foundation Trust
41 posts

grybek said:
The worrying aspect of this is the EU's take on what constitutes severe hypoglycaemia. They term it as, 'any episode where the assistance of another person is required.' I know Diabetes UK have commented on that and asked for a better definition. I just hope it doesn't lead to people not seeking assistance, but that is a possible scenario. It seems remarkably unfair that an episode at night could fall within this criteria. Perhaps I am concerned without good reason, it just seems to go against my desire to keep my levels within the targets.


I think that if you have a hypo that needs someone else to help you, you're incredibly unlikely to be thinking clearly enough to say "hang on a minute - don't put that hypostop in my mouth, it'll mean i have to report it to the DVLA"!
As DAFNE rules teach us, we should all test before and during driving and that way we're as safe as we can be...I wouldn't want to start increasing my HbA1 just to avoid going low. Stick to the best control you can get and make your MP and Diabetes UK stand up for common sense and fight on our behalf for safe but sensible rules. Smile

ketostix pla... DAFNE Graduate
NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde
25 posts

This is a total joke. Before I completed the Dafne course I had quite a severe hypo on the way back from watching football and my partner called an ambulance, as she had never seen me have a hypo before. I treated myself with dextrose and by the time I was in the back of the ambulance my blood was about 3.2 but raising gradually. My driving Licence at the time was with the DVLA going through renewal, and the ambulance asked me if I wanted to go to hospital, to which I said no as I diid not want any repocussions, so basically got chucked out back of ambulance and had to walk home when still effectively in hypo. If this ruling comes in I can imagine this will be quite common for people with difficulties in bloodglucose control Evil or Very Mad

novorapidboi26 DAFNE Graduate
NHS Lanarkshire
1,819 posts

ketostix playford said:
so basically got chucked out back of ambulance and had to walk home when still effectively in hypo.



Would you have wanted to go to hospital though? You treated yourself and your BG was coming up, all be it slowly.......

I have had some frightening hypos were the drop has been quick and big, but I still did not need help to treat myself for them, that's the key.........

I wouldn't have thought you needed to go to hospital as it wasn't what I would class as severe........ Smile