Recent Posts - DAFNE Online

May 11, 2011

JayBee 587 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Feeling hungover!!

Awww I get cha! Try not to think that way, you're doing good - life will throw you a curve ball sometimes and those times can be hard to arrange for! A few highs here and there is harmless so well done! ^_^

May 11, 2011

Nikki H-C 23 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Feeling hungover!!

Thanks JWo, you're right, I suppose its more the tiredness that is making me feel "hungover".
Thanks for the comment on my levels... I hate it when one miscalcuation throws my averages out of kilter... I end up feeling like I've been naughty!! lol!

May 11, 2011

JayBee 587 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Feeling hungover!!

Drunk behaviour I've more experienced during a hypo, rather than linked with highs... I usually find I don't sleep properly when I'm high over night... so maybe your behaviour is due to you being more tired than you realise? Excessive tiredness is usually what my response is.

I hope you're feeling at least a little bit better now. Besides the highs either side of the night, your levels are great! ;D Keep up the good work!

May 11, 2011

Nikki H-C 23 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Feeling hungover!!

Dear all,
Having miscalculated my QI last night following chips and a battered sausage from the local chippy, I went to bed with hi levels and woke up with hi levels - See last 2 days readings attached. 19 before bed, +2 correction (obv not enough), 14 on waking up (+3 correction) and then about 6.8 ish all day.

Today, I feel like I've had a hangover all day and felt really tired. Now, at only 6.30pm, I'm considering going to bed as I still feel the same and am even bumping into things, walking in zig zag lines etc! No, no alcohol sinse Saturday night and even then only a small amount.

I'm not ill in anyway.

Is this a normal feeling after having been so high?

Many thanks for any thoughts you may have.

May 11, 2011

derekh1965 93 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Looking for some comments on my diary

Hi

Thanks for your comments. To rapidboi when I put 0 carbs on my diary doesn't mean I never ate anything, just I never had any carbs.. I would have had onion, pepper and chicken fried in a little olive oil with some spinach leaves and a splash of olive oil. For my bedtime I do eat too much/ like a man possessed lol, but again there are no carbs, I will have a packet of mattesons fridge raiders in a bowl with couple spoons of mayonnaise and sometimes/ most times a bowl of sugar free jelly with cream. Don't know why I eat all that, some psychological thing going on! When on dafne and looking at others diaries nobody had a supper and I thought "am I the only one who has a supper?"

Regarding Thursday, I took extra CP as I read a comment on another forum, probably diabetes uk about someone saying if thy were under 8 at bedtime they would take extra carbs. I put 1 CP but it was 1 glucotab and I have no idea how many carbs are in 1 glucotab. That is why when I have hypo'd and said i took 4 CP s I have left a comment about taking 4 glucotabs.

Off topic, I have just noticed when you type a word that is not recognized as in dafne or CP as you know a red wavy line appears, you can right click and add to dictionary. That is first time I have seen that and been using a PC for over 10 years lol. Small minds are easily amused.

To JWo thanks for your encouraging words, I will get there eventually with the help of rapidboi and everyone else here.

Hopefully someday i can give you help also.

best regards

Derek

May 11, 2011

JayBee 587 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / Information on menstrual cycle

Considering I'm currently going through the time again where my BI should be going up, with me now being on 7 Morn and 14 Eve, it seems the game has changed...

Looking at my current results, what do we think?
TOTM Temperature Monitoring results are in the comments of my Before Breakfast results.

May 11, 2011

JayBee 587 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Looking for some comments on my diary

derekh1965 said:
Since completing dafne and being encouraged to eat more carbs and the big increase in insulin I have put on 5 pounds!! Not a happy chappy.

It's because you're hypoing so much that you're probably gaining weight at the moment. Work towards resolving the hypo problem (such as not correcting within 24 hours of a hypo which you've done a few times - let your BI take your BGs down after a hypo because this prevents more hypos) and then things should hopefully start straightening out a lot more.

On that note, I'm glad to see that your results are hitting lower numbers now compared to your last thread. Keep your chin up - things will get better! Smile

May 11, 2011

novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Looking for some comments on my diary

I would suggest you need more BI in the morning.......eg. Wednesday 4th, nothing to eat all afternoon, so no QA or CPs in the system yet you still went high. You also commented on another time this happened, namely Saturday 7th. To me, that warrants carb free basal testing during the day, and you could probably bump on 2 units straight away and then test......

Thursday at 23:59 you had 1+1 CPs, why did you not take QA for this....? This may explain the high morning on Friday.

I suspect the PM BI dose is pretty much correct, but it wouldn't hurt to get some 3 am tests to make sure with no carbs at all before bed...which it seems you like to have, what nibbles do you have a night........

You can also expect your ratios to dramatically change once you have got the right BI dose, you may be resistant but you should be able to get them down to below 5:1..............your lows throughout the day I believe are down to too much QA, but this because your BI is off, so getting the insulin/carb ratios right is not easy, if possible..........

Also, once you are happy your AM BI is holding you steady, experimentation with the time of your PM BI dose can start, I see you take it quite late, this is helpful in combating the Dawn Phenomenon, but it does mean you can suffer later in the evening as your AM dose starts to die off..........

May 11, 2011

derekh1965 93 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Looking for some comments on my diary

Hi here is my diary for the past 7 days.
I would like to know what your opinion is. To me it looks like the night BI is only lasting 8 hrs as on nights when I have had less than 8 hrs in bed, which is not many, the morning BS is ok and the ones with 9 or more I am high.

I would like to add I am not sleeping all that time, I go to bed and read for over an hour, plus I have sleep apnea which is brutal cos I don't feel anything from my cpap treatment, but that's another story.

Since completing dafne and being encouraged to eat more carbs and the big increase in insulin I have put on 5 pounds!! Not a happy chappy.

All the best

Derek

May 11, 2011

novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Chicken soup

That is a strange one, have you got results on paper that actually confirm the soup being eaten and the following days results high.........

The amount of carbs in the soup is not that much so I cant understand how the carbs alone could be responsible............

What are your results like when you dont have anything or something other than soup or a sandwich and what time are you having these......?

Your ratio at this time might be out and the sandwich and its filling may be slowing the digestion/glucose release giving you a top up later on.........as opposed to the soup which is in an out fairly quickly, you may drop overnight and then bounce back in the morning with excess liver action.................

May 11, 2011

Aneirin 15 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Chicken soup

Hello. I have been having chicken soup for supper for the past couple of days. It says a can is around 2 units, so half a can should be on. However, every morning after I have chicken soup, my blood sugars are 18 (around 6 the night before). Days when I don't have chicken soup (sandwiches instead) my blood sugars are fine. Anyone else noticed problems with chicken soup? (Heinz canned chicken soup)

May 11, 2011

novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / No Carb and going high

I think from previous posts the OP has stated they are on a 4:1 ratio across the board and has a high insulin resistance and so using the rule - 1 unit drops 1 mmol/l.

That would explain the 4+3, so this dose could have been right, assuming the PM BI tests have confirmed 18 as sufficient.......but only by elimination can the real cause be determined.....

As there was only the BI dose in the system I am leaning towards an adjustment of the AM BI still.....

May 10, 2011

derekh1965 93 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Polyol and Maltitol

Hi

Sorry for not replying sooner.

I think the polyols and maltitol are the same as sugar alcohols and you don't count the carb content. That's what the dietitian told me anyway.

The protein bar I had has 37g of carbs in the whole bar and 10gt of those carbs were polyols, therefore the bar would have 3CPs.

May 10, 2011

WullieIrvine 27 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / Fitting when hypo

Hey Jules I would have asked the same as Robby - are you taking you QA insulin when you are skipping meals - if so that would account for the hypos. If you don't eat carbs - don't take QA.

I've had diabetes 36years now (from birth) and have only ever fitted once.

I'm sure it will all work out for you

Wullie

May 10, 2011

WullieIrvine 27 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / No Carb and going high

Hey been reading your post Derekh and you say you went to bed with a blood sugar of 9.7 and had 1 CP. I therefore don't understand why you took 4+3 QA???

It should have been 1QA for the CP and personally I wouldn't have taken a correction at that point but instead adjusted the meal before QA in the future if you were still having the same readings over a couple of days.

It looks to me as though you have had a hypo during the night which has self rectified and your rise in blood sugar is the after effects of your bodies normal Glucose release in attempting to get you out of your hypo.

Wullie

May 10, 2011

WullieIrvine 27 posts

Topic: Site Development / Glossary of Terms

As I sit here trying very hard to get to sleep I have actually burst into one of those hysterical laughters you normally get with a hypo. I totally loved reading the slang Very Happy

May 10, 2011

novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Polyol and Maltitol

So it seems with products like protein bars and similar that there might actually be carbohydrate stated but that they dont actually effect BGs, and even for non diabetics, effect their calorie intake, for those watching their carb intake........

Definitely a point worth mentioning for any diabetics who use these products and even worth investigating and adding to the the DAFNE curriculum....

May 10, 2011

Simon 578 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Polyol and Maltitol

Seems like its a bit of a gray area - they are only partially digested (not sure on percentages) if it's Glycerol then according to this Maximuscle article then they don't affect your blood sugars.

May 10, 2011

novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Polyol and Maltitol

Would there be a carbohydrate value next to these then, I wouldn't think so..........

May 9, 2011

Mark2 23 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Iphone Apps

Yes, this all seems to work very well! I think this is going to be very useful for me. Main advantage - a very easy to use interface, just takes a few clicks to save your readings. Calculates your doses based on any ratio - which is also a huge advantage for me. Never been a fan of taking around booklets, pens and calculators, this is very difficult in my line of work. So next time I will have something to show the doctor. Something like this I've been looking for for years actually. Thanks for your work Simon.

May 9, 2011

Simon 578 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Iphone Apps

Yep, you can do it the other way - if you go to the settings page enter your DAFNE Online username and password in the Credentials bit (make sure you press done on the keyboard to save it) and then make sure te Diary Upload setting (below them) is set to on. Then, whenever you save an entry in the phone (by adding a new one or updating an existine one) it will be uploaded to the site. You can then see the site diary by clicking the My Blood Glucose Diary link which appears in the toolbox in the top right of the page when you are logged in.

May 9, 2011

Simon 578 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Polyol and Maltitol

I don't think polyols even get digested, they literally go straight through your system...

May 11, 2011 JayBee 587 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Feeling hungover!! Awww I get cha! Try not to think that way, you're doing good - life will throw you a curve ball sometimes and those times can be hard to arrange for! A few highs here and there is harmless so well done! ^_^

May 11, 2011 Nikki H-C 23 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Feeling hungover!! Thanks JWo, you're right, I suppose its more the tiredness that is making me feel "hungover". Thanks for the comment on my levels... I hate it when one miscalcuation throws my averages out of kilter... I end up feeling like I've been naughty!! lol!

May 11, 2011 JayBee 587 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Feeling hungover!! Drunk behaviour I've more experienced during a hypo, rather than linked with highs... I usually find I don't sleep properly when I'm high over night... so maybe your behaviour is due to you being more tired than you realise? Excessive tiredness is usually what my response is. I hope you're feeling at least a little bit better now. Besides the highs either side of the night, your levels are great! ;D Keep up the good work!

May 11, 2011 Nikki H-C 23 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Feeling hungover!! Dear all, Having miscalculated my QI last night following chips and a battered sausage from the local chippy, I went to bed with hi levels and woke up with hi levels - See last 2 days readings attached. 19 before bed, +2 correction (obv not enough), 14 on waking up (+3 correction) and then about 6.8 ish all day. Today, I feel like I've had a hangover all day and felt really tired. Now, at only 6.30pm, I'm considering going to bed as I still feel the same and am even bumping into things, walking in zig zag lines etc! No, no alcohol sinse Saturday night and even then only a small amount. I'm not ill in anyway. Is this a normal feeling after having been so high? Many thanks for any thoughts you may have.

May 11, 2011 derekh1965 93 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Looking for some comments on my diary Hi Thanks for your comments. To rapidboi when I put 0 carbs on my diary doesn't mean I never ate anything, just I never had any carbs.. I would have had onion, pepper and chicken fried in a little olive oil with some spinach leaves and a splash of olive oil. For my bedtime I do eat too much/ like a man possessed lol, but again there are no carbs, I will have a packet of mattesons fridge raiders in a bowl with couple spoons of mayonnaise and sometimes/ most times a bowl of sugar free jelly with cream. Don't know why I eat all that, some psychological thing going on! When on dafne and looking at others diaries nobody had a supper and I thought "am I the only one who has a supper?" Regarding Thursday, I took extra CP as I read a comment on another forum, probably diabetes uk about someone saying if thy were under 8 at bedtime they would take extra carbs. I put 1 CP but it was 1 glucotab and I have no idea how many carbs are in 1 glucotab. That is why when I have hypo'd and said i took 4 CP s I have left a comment about taking 4 glucotabs. Off topic, I have just noticed when you type a word that is not recognized as in dafne or CP as you know a red wavy line appears, you can right click and add to dictionary. That is first time I have seen that and been using a PC for over 10 years lol. Small minds are easily amused. To JWo thanks for your encouraging words, I will get there eventually with the help of rapidboi and everyone else here. Hopefully someday i can give you help also. best regards Derek

May 11, 2011 JayBee 587 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / Information on menstrual cycle Considering I'm currently going through the time again where my BI should be going up, with me now being on 7 Morn and 14 Eve, it seems the game has changed... Looking at my current results, what do we think? TOTM Temperature Monitoring results are in the comments of my Before Breakfast results.

May 11, 2011 JayBee 587 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Looking for some comments on my diary derekh1965 said: Since completing dafne and being encouraged to eat more carbs and the big increase in insulin I have put on 5 pounds!! Not a happy chappy. It's because you're hypoing so much that you're probably gaining weight at the moment. Work towards resolving the hypo problem (such as not correcting within 24 hours of a hypo which you've done a few times - let your BI take your BGs down after a hypo because this prevents more hypos) and then things should hopefully start straightening out a lot more. On that note, I'm glad to see that your results are hitting lower numbers now compared to your last thread. Keep your chin up - things will get better!

May 11, 2011 novorapidboi26 1,819 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Looking for some comments on my diary I would suggest you need more BI in the morning.......eg. Wednesday 4th, nothing to eat all afternoon, so no QA or CPs in the system yet you still went high. You also commented on another time this happened, namely Saturday 7th. To me, that warrants carb free basal testing during the day, and you could probably bump on 2 units straight away and then test...... Thursday at 23:59 you had 1+1 CPs, why did you not take QA for this....? This may explain the high morning on Friday. I suspect the PM BI dose is pretty much correct, but it wouldn't hurt to get some 3 am tests to make sure with no carbs at all before bed...which it seems you like to have, what nibbles do you have a night........ You can also expect your ratios to dramatically change once you have got the right BI dose, you may be resistant but you should be able to get them down to below 5:1..............your lows throughout the day I believe are down to too much QA, but this because your BI is off, so getting the insulin/carb ratios right is not easy, if possible.......... Also, once you are happy your AM BI is holding you steady, experimentation with the time of your PM BI dose can start, I see you take it quite late, this is helpful in combating the Dawn Phenomenon, but it does mean you can suffer later in the evening as your AM dose starts to die off..........

May 11, 2011 derekh1965 93 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Looking for some comments on my diary Hi here is my diary for the past 7 days. I would like to know what your opinion is. To me it looks like the night BI is only lasting 8 hrs as on nights when I have had less than 8 hrs in bed, which is not many, the morning BS is ok and the ones with 9 or more I am high. I would like to add I am not sleeping all that time, I go to bed and read for over an hour, plus I have sleep apnea which is brutal cos I don't feel anything from my cpap treatment, but that's another story. Since completing dafne and being encouraged to eat more carbs and the big increase in insulin I have put on 5 pounds!! Not a happy chappy. All the best Derek

May 11, 2011 novorapidboi26 1,819 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Chicken soup That is a strange one, have you got results on paper that actually confirm the soup being eaten and the following days results high......... The amount of carbs in the soup is not that much so I cant understand how the carbs alone could be responsible............ What are your results like when you dont have anything or something other than soup or a sandwich and what time are you having these......? Your ratio at this time might be out and the sandwich and its filling may be slowing the digestion/glucose release giving you a top up later on.........as opposed to the soup which is in an out fairly quickly, you may drop overnight and then bounce back in the morning with excess liver action.................

May 11, 2011 Aneirin 15 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Chicken soup Hello. I have been having chicken soup for supper for the past couple of days. It says a can is around 2 units, so half a can should be on. However, every morning after I have chicken soup, my blood sugars are 18 (around 6 the night before). Days when I don't have chicken soup (sandwiches instead) my blood sugars are fine. Anyone else noticed problems with chicken soup? (Heinz canned chicken soup)

May 11, 2011 novorapidboi26 1,819 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / No Carb and going high I think from previous posts the OP has stated they are on a 4:1 ratio across the board and has a high insulin resistance and so using the rule - 1 unit drops 1 mmol/l. That would explain the 4+3, so this dose could have been right, assuming the PM BI tests have confirmed 18 as sufficient.......but only by elimination can the real cause be determined..... As there was only the BI dose in the system I am leaning towards an adjustment of the AM BI still.....

May 10, 2011 derekh1965 93 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Polyol and Maltitol Hi Sorry for not replying sooner. I think the polyols and maltitol are the same as sugar alcohols and you don't count the carb content. That's what the dietitian told me anyway. The protein bar I had has 37g of carbs in the whole bar and 10gt of those carbs were polyols, therefore the bar would have 3CPs.

May 10, 2011 WullieIrvine 27 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / Fitting when hypo Hey Jules I would have asked the same as Robby - are you taking you QA insulin when you are skipping meals - if so that would account for the hypos. If you don't eat carbs - don't take QA. I've had diabetes 36years now (from birth) and have only ever fitted once. I'm sure it will all work out for you Wullie

May 10, 2011 WullieIrvine 27 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / No Carb and going high Hey been reading your post Derekh and you say you went to bed with a blood sugar of 9.7 and had 1 CP. I therefore don't understand why you took 4+3 QA??? It should have been 1QA for the CP and personally I wouldn't have taken a correction at that point but instead adjusted the meal before QA in the future if you were still having the same readings over a couple of days. It looks to me as though you have had a hypo during the night which has self rectified and your rise in blood sugar is the after effects of your bodies normal Glucose release in attempting to get you out of your hypo. Wullie

May 10, 2011 WullieIrvine 27 posts	Topic: Site Development / Glossary of Terms As I sit here trying very hard to get to sleep I have actually burst into one of those hysterical laughters you normally get with a hypo. I totally loved reading the slang

May 10, 2011 novorapidboi26 1,819 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Polyol and Maltitol So it seems with products like protein bars and similar that there might actually be carbohydrate stated but that they dont actually effect BGs, and even for non diabetics, effect their calorie intake, for those watching their carb intake........ Definitely a point worth mentioning for any diabetics who use these products and even worth investigating and adding to the the DAFNE curriculum....

May 10, 2011 Simon 578 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Polyol and Maltitol Seems like its a bit of a gray area - they are only partially digested (not sure on percentages) if it's Glycerol then according to this Maximuscle article then they don't affect your blood sugars.

May 10, 2011 novorapidboi26 1,819 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Polyol and Maltitol Would there be a carbohydrate value next to these then, I wouldn't think so..........

May 9, 2011 Mark2 23 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Iphone Apps Yes, this all seems to work very well! I think this is going to be very useful for me. Main advantage - a very easy to use interface, just takes a few clicks to save your readings. Calculates your doses based on any ratio - which is also a huge advantage for me. Never been a fan of taking around booklets, pens and calculators, this is very difficult in my line of work. So next time I will have something to show the doctor. Something like this I've been looking for for years actually. Thanks for your work Simon.

May 9, 2011 Simon 578 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Iphone Apps Yep, you can do it the other way - if you go to the settings page enter your DAFNE Online username and password in the Credentials bit (make sure you press done on the keyboard to save it) and then make sure te Diary Upload setting (below them) is set to on. Then, whenever you save an entry in the phone (by adding a new one or updating an existine one) it will be uploaded to the site. You can then see the site diary by clicking the My Blood Glucose Diary link which appears in the toolbox in the top right of the page when you are logged in.

May 9, 2011 Simon 578 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Polyol and Maltitol I don't think polyols even get digested, they literally go straight through your system...