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Sep 15, 2011

Anele46 109 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Can someone please remind me...

Hi Lizzie,
I would check your BI is right first (as Marke). Best way to check that is by having a carb free meal which will allow you to see how your BI is working (or not as the case may be). Once you have your BI right then next look at your QA ratios.

Good luck Smile

Anele.

Sep 14, 2011

tagsyt 1 post

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / android apps

there is a new android dafne app just released. Search for dafne in the android market

Sep 14, 2011

marke 686 posts

Topic: Site Development / DAFNE Online iPhone application - help with content/design needed

Thanks for noticing the problem with Chocolate, I have fixed it on the site. I await advice on how the apps get corrected as its not my area.

Sep 14, 2011

Damo8 9 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Android App

Thanks Keith. Just installed and it looks great. Emailed others on the course including the hcp to spread the word. Should come in very handy. Cheers.

Sep 14, 2011

MarkR1962 3 posts

Topic: Site Development / DAFNE Online iPhone application - help with content/design needed

I've been using the App for a while now but never really appreciated what I could do with it. I asked my GP to get me on a DAFNE course and started looking around for Applications for my iPod Touch so that I could record my results and came across your App and registered on dafneonline as a "User" as a result.
I also use GlucoseBuddy and have been running both Apps in parallel ever since.

I'm now just over Â½ way through my DAFNE course and have been learning new things about the App as I link it more with the activities on the course. There's been a lot of focus on the CP counting today so I've been adding my own entries to the CP information. How should we notify you about entries in the CP data that are incorrect (i.e. don't match the DAFNE CP book). For example "Chocolate - (plain)" is listed in the Soft Drinks category rather than the Sweets category (you can see where my interests are Wink

)

Now we are doing ratio adjustments I've decided to turn on the auto calculations and have learnt, through trial and error, that if I precede a correction with a plus then the QA amount won't be updated - great. What I would like though is another option in the settings so that I can say whether I use whole or Â½ doses of insulin so the calculation will give me a valid result. I use whole units and to have the calculation tell me to use 9.5 is annoying as I have to update the calculated value.

The more I learn about DAFNE the more I like the App - keep up the good work!

...Mark R

Sep 14, 2011

KeithCl 43 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Android App

Damo8 said:
good news on the app's imminent release. on dafne course this week and couple of us were looking for one. Will keep eyes open for it. will it come via andriod market our from dafne site?

In fact it was published on the Android Market yesterday and that will remain its distribution point. More obvious links to it will be added to this site in the next few days.

The easiest way to install on your phone is to use the Android Market app and search for "dafne". To view information about the app on your computer you can follow this fancy link:

Sep 14, 2011

Damo8 9 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Android App

good news on the app's imminent release. on dafne course this week and couple of us were looking for one. Will keep eyes open for it. will it come via andriod market our from dafne site?

Sep 14, 2011

novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / vegetable carbs

As Rhonda has pointed out, most vegetables only have small amounts of carbohydrate, which is often released very slowly........but best to check to be sure..............some folk are sensitive to carbs and find they need to count low carb vegetables.........

I personally dont.......... Smile

Sep 14, 2011

Rhonda 1 post

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / vegetable carbs

Hi Linda,

I checked turnip in my fat, carb and calorie counter - turnip has 2 carbs per 100g boiled weight. I hope you enjoy.

Rhonda Rolling Eyes

Sep 13, 2011

Linda S123 8 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / vegetable carbs

Hi can anyone advise me on how they count vegetables in to CHO count ? I never used to, but so many changes lately, Im unsure. Ive taken a notion for turnip. Should I be counting this , and as what ? Rolling Eyes

Sep 13, 2011

Pinky 4 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / Menstrual Cycle, BI

Athena said:
Sorry to hear about your migraines also Pinky. Let us know how you get on with the mini pill. I asked for the pill but was refused so don't now know if it would have helped. The week I have sorte dis that of menstruation. It is the same without fail each month and I just turn my BI dose right downto what I know it will be, totally ignoring the step wise approach which is of course totally un DAFNE, but otherwise it is a week of hypos. I got fed up with it. rest of the month is a mess constantly too high which is totally exhausting. just have to crawl to work then go straight to bed when I get home and stay there.
i think monitoring your own pattern is the key, but unfortunatly it takes months to see it.

good luck girls

Well done for getting one week sorted - a wee bit jealous of that. Sorry to hear the rest of the month is such a drag. It does sound as if you know your cycle well and have found an approach you can trust for the week of your period. I hope you find a way forward with the other weeks. Keep us all posted.

Sep 13, 2011

KeithCl 43 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

The application is now publicly available on the Android Market at https://market.android.com/details?id=dafneonline.android. Or just search for "dafne". I changed its version number back to 1.0 as that better reflects its lack of maturity (and the last part of the number is the "real" version number anyway). Please install the app from there and perhaps add a review so that others who have not been involved in the beta can get some comfort that the app is worth installing.

Thanks to everyone who has provided feedback - the app is much better now than it was thanks to you. The intention with this first version was to implement the features already present in the iPhone app; features discussed here that go beyond that will hopefully make it into both the iPhone and Android apps in the future.

Thanks,
Keith

Sep 13, 2011

John Syer 19 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

As someone who is on huge doses of insulin (compared with those of my fellow DAFNE coursemates) I was not aware that fractional dose delivery systems existed. Thanks for increasing my knowledge, and I withdraw my previous comment questioning the need for a decimal point.

Geofftrez said:
On the corrective dose - I agree. Not sure how DAFNE deals with this on their internet software or why they chose not to show the correction as a separate figure if that is what they did.

Looking at my online records (uploaded from the app), the dose+corrections are shown in the x+y format.

Harking back to something brought up many pages of comments ago... there was talk of wanting the BG field first to which Simon replied (my paraphrasing) that was how the iPhone app did it, and it is immaterial because you need to select the field anyway. I challenge the need to select the field as I have a "next" button in my keyboard which moves between fields, but no "previous" button. I can appreciate the desire to keep the iPhone and Android apps consistent, but also find that I enter the BG first, then have to go back to CP and skip over BG again to get to QA.

Regards, John

Sep 13, 2011

Geofftrez 22 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

In reply to John.
1CP = 2-3 BG The DAFNE target range is between 1.5BG and 3BG depending on the mealtime. To achieve that target 1CP is too large a unit of measure. As for QA and BI we now have insulin pens delivering half units.

On the corrective dose - I agree. Not sure how DAFNE deals with this on their internet software or why they chose not to show the correction as a separate figure if that is what they did.

Sep 13, 2011

John Syer 19 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Geofftrez said:
CP, QA and BI can never have negative values. I thought any CP add list was a later adjustment using the input method function. Any QA adjustment is mental arithmatic or part of the autocalc function. On that basis I would use the number keypad - it is quite irritating having to page on to find the decimal point.

While I understand the need to have a simplified usable input method, I disagree with the notion that QA adjustment is mental arithmatic.
When I was doing my DAFNE course, it was explained to us that we need to write down the adjustments explicitly so that you can look back and know what you did (especially if you are trying to work out what went wrong). As an example, an entry which reads CP:4 BG:10.4 QA:8+1-2 BI:12 note: "exercise" (with a QA:CP ratio of 2:1) is much more explicit that CP:4 BG:10.4 QA:7 BI:12 note:"exercise". The second set of numbers is not clear; did I account for the high BSL?
I'm also not sure why you need a decimal point for the CP, QA or BI fields (well maybe I can see a use for it in CPs).

Regards, John

Sep 13, 2011

Athena 52 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / Menstrual Cycle, BI

Sorry to hear about your migraines also Pinky. Let us know how you get on with the mini pill. I asked for the pill but was refused so don't now know if it would have helped. The week I have sorte dis that of menstruation. It is the same without fail each month and I just turn my BI dose right downto what I know it will be, totally ignoring the step wise approach which is of course totally un DAFNE, but otherwise it is a week of hypos. I got fed up with it. rest of the month is a mess constantly too high which is totally exhausting. just have to crawl to work then go straight to bed when I get home and stay there.
i think monitoring your own pattern is the key, but unfortunatly it takes months to see it.

good luck girls

Sep 13, 2011

Geofftrez 22 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

KeithC1 said: Those fields also need to support the + and - characters so that adjustments can be entered. So while for the BG field I can use android:inputType="numberDecimal" which yields the neat numeric keypad, for the CP, QA and BI fields I have to use android:inputType="numberDecimal|numberSigned|text" to ensure that the + and - characters can be entered which typically yields the messy phone-style keyboard layout.

CP, QA and BI can never have negative values. I thought any CP add list was a later adjustment using the input method function. Any QA adjustment is mental arithmatic or part of the autocalc function. On that basis I would use the number keypad - it is quite irritating having to page on to find the decimal point.

Sep 13, 2011

KeithCl 43 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

novorapidboi26 said:
Hey, can I be emailed again with the link for the latest release............

Cheers..........

If paid work doesn't get in the way, the app will be made publicly available on the Android Market this week so I hope you can wait for that. This initial release will be the 1.3.r.265 BETA version plus a fix for the white text on a white background. Improvements to the auto-calc can be added in a future version when what is required is clear.

Sep 13, 2011

KeithCl 43 posts

Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing

Geofftrez said:

The keyboard layout when you call for the BG data field is perfect - simply a numeric keypad. The keyboard layout when you call for CP, QA and BI data fields is a typical phone alpha numeric keyboard. Since those fields only need numeric data I would suspect its a programming error.

Those fields also need to support the + and - characters so that adjustments can be entered. So while for the BG field I can use android:inputType="numberDecimal" which yields the neat numeric keypad, for the CP, QA and BI fields I have to use android:inputType="numberDecimal|numberSigned|text" to ensure that the + and - characters can be entered which typically yields the messy phone-style keyboard layout.

Sep 12, 2011

novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Do I adjust BI or QA first?

The only way to be sure your not having overnight hypos is to test, every hour would be good, although a pain.......

My own personal theory is that dawn phenomenon starts a couple of hours, roughly, before you get up, so your body clock will be used to determine when this is............so for me, its starts about 4:00-4:30 as I get up at 6:30, so testing at 3am is the best time for me if I wanted to prove dawn phenomenon was taking place, as theoretically my BG would be fine at 3am, but then at 4:30am it would go up......this is proof, you should try a similar time to confirm........

you need to give your dose changes a few days, if you cant find a happy medium with the QA dose, then a small tweak of the BI should be considered.........

When were you told to drop your ratio to 0.5:1?

When you refer to being steady, what do you mean................your on target one day and not the next?

Its just that getting your BG steady between meals is possible, but not easy, going up then back down is normal, its getting that spike to be as small as possible that the tricky part..........

Sep 11, 2011

kay70mea 6 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Do I adjust BI or QA first?

Hi Novorapidboi26,
I have upped the tea time ratio from 1:1 to one and a half to one and it steady one day and not the next although my working day doesn't change, and I have done the testing over night and it's steady so I gather the background one is ok and I was asked by my dsn to lower my quick acting to half to one ratio but I think thast it's not quite enough, and yes I have heard of the early morning phenomonon through this web site but I was always told that I was having night time hypos NOT a chance because I don't feel groggy in the morning's, so any other suggestions would be gratefully received.

Sep 11, 2011

novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Do I adjust BI or QA first?

If you eliminate the 2 most obvious variables, which are;

1. Your Evening Meal ratio
2. Your Supper ratio

Then you can go on with the background testing................so upping your dose and testing through the night............

It sounds as though you may have some dawn phenomenon.........are you aware of this?

When is supper? Are you always higher before this? That may suggest a dose is out, either dinner QA or BI, or both!!!

Sep 15, 2011 Anele46 109 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Can someone please remind me... Hi Lizzie, I would check your BI is right first (as Marke). Best way to check that is by having a carb free meal which will allow you to see how your BI is working (or not as the case may be). Once you have your BI right then next look at your QA ratios. Good luck Anele.

Sep 14, 2011 tagsyt 1 post	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / android apps there is a new android dafne app just released. Search for dafne in the android market

Sep 14, 2011 marke 686 posts	Topic: Site Development / DAFNE Online iPhone application - help with content/design needed Thanks for noticing the problem with Chocolate, I have fixed it on the site. I await advice on how the apps get corrected as its not my area.

Sep 14, 2011 Damo8 9 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Android App Thanks Keith. Just installed and it looks great. Emailed others on the course including the hcp to spread the word. Should come in very handy. Cheers.

Sep 14, 2011 MarkR1962 3 posts	Topic: Site Development / DAFNE Online iPhone application - help with content/design needed I've been using the App for a while now but never really appreciated what I could do with it. I asked my GP to get me on a DAFNE course and started looking around for Applications for my iPod Touch so that I could record my results and came across your App and registered on dafneonline as a "User" as a result. I also use GlucoseBuddy and have been running both Apps in parallel ever since. I'm now just over Â½ way through my DAFNE course and have been learning new things about the App as I link it more with the activities on the course. There's been a lot of focus on the CP counting today so I've been adding my own entries to the CP information. How should we notify you about entries in the CP data that are incorrect (i.e. don't match the DAFNE CP book). For example "Chocolate - (plain)" is listed in the Soft Drinks category rather than the Sweets category (you can see where my interests are ) Now we are doing ratio adjustments I've decided to turn on the auto calculations and have learnt, through trial and error, that if I precede a correction with a plus then the QA amount won't be updated - great. What I would like though is another option in the settings so that I can say whether I use whole or Â½ doses of insulin so the calculation will give me a valid result. I use whole units and to have the calculation tell me to use 9.5 is annoying as I have to update the calculated value. The more I learn about DAFNE the more I like the App - keep up the good work! ...Mark R

Sep 14, 2011 KeithCl 43 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Android App Damo8 said: good news on the app's imminent release. on dafne course this week and couple of us were looking for one. Will keep eyes open for it. will it come via andriod market our from dafne site? In fact it was published on the Android Market yesterday and that will remain its distribution point. More obvious links to it will be added to this site in the next few days. The easiest way to install on your phone is to use the Android Market app and search for "dafne". To view information about the app on your computer you can follow this fancy link:

Sep 14, 2011 Damo8 9 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Android App good news on the app's imminent release. on dafne course this week and couple of us were looking for one. Will keep eyes open for it. will it come via andriod market our from dafne site?

Sep 14, 2011 novorapidboi26 1,819 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / vegetable carbs As Rhonda has pointed out, most vegetables only have small amounts of carbohydrate, which is often released very slowly........but best to check to be sure..............some folk are sensitive to carbs and find they need to count low carb vegetables......... I personally dont..........

Sep 14, 2011 Rhonda 1 post	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / vegetable carbs Hi Linda, I checked turnip in my fat, carb and calorie counter - turnip has 2 carbs per 100g boiled weight. I hope you enjoy. Rhonda

Sep 13, 2011 Linda S123 8 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / vegetable carbs Hi can anyone advise me on how they count vegetables in to CHO count ? I never used to, but so many changes lately, Im unsure. Ive taken a notion for turnip. Should I be counting this , and as what ?

Sep 13, 2011 Pinky 4 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / Menstrual Cycle, BI Athena said: Sorry to hear about your migraines also Pinky. Let us know how you get on with the mini pill. I asked for the pill but was refused so don't now know if it would have helped. The week I have sorte dis that of menstruation. It is the same without fail each month and I just turn my BI dose right downto what I know it will be, totally ignoring the step wise approach which is of course totally un DAFNE, but otherwise it is a week of hypos. I got fed up with it. rest of the month is a mess constantly too high which is totally exhausting. just have to crawl to work then go straight to bed when I get home and stay there. i think monitoring your own pattern is the key, but unfortunatly it takes months to see it. good luck girls Well done for getting one week sorted - a wee bit jealous of that. Sorry to hear the rest of the month is such a drag. It does sound as if you know your cycle well and have found an approach you can trust for the week of your period. I hope you find a way forward with the other weeks. Keep us all posted.

Sep 13, 2011 KeithCl 43 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing The application is now publicly available on the Android Market at https://market.android.com/details?id=dafneonline.android. Or just search for "dafne". I changed its version number back to 1.0 as that better reflects its lack of maturity (and the last part of the number is the "real" version number anyway). Please install the app from there and perhaps add a review so that others who have not been involved in the beta can get some comfort that the app is worth installing. Thanks to everyone who has provided feedback - the app is much better now than it was thanks to you. The intention with this first version was to implement the features already present in the iPhone app; features discussed here that go beyond that will hopefully make it into both the iPhone and Android apps in the future. Thanks, Keith

Sep 13, 2011 John Syer 19 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing As someone who is on huge doses of insulin (compared with those of my fellow DAFNE coursemates) I was not aware that fractional dose delivery systems existed. Thanks for increasing my knowledge, and I withdraw my previous comment questioning the need for a decimal point. Geofftrez said: On the corrective dose - I agree. Not sure how DAFNE deals with this on their internet software or why they chose not to show the correction as a separate figure if that is what they did. Looking at my online records (uploaded from the app), the dose+corrections are shown in the x+y format. Harking back to something brought up many pages of comments ago... there was talk of wanting the BG field first to which Simon replied (my paraphrasing) that was how the iPhone app did it, and it is immaterial because you need to select the field anyway. I challenge the need to select the field as I have a "next" button in my keyboard which moves between fields, but no "previous" button. I can appreciate the desire to keep the iPhone and Android apps consistent, but also find that I enter the BG first, then have to go back to CP and skip over BG again to get to QA. Regards, John

Sep 13, 2011 Geofftrez 22 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing In reply to John. 1CP = 2-3 BG The DAFNE target range is between 1.5BG and 3BG depending on the mealtime. To achieve that target 1CP is too large a unit of measure. As for QA and BI we now have insulin pens delivering half units. On the corrective dose - I agree. Not sure how DAFNE deals with this on their internet software or why they chose not to show the correction as a separate figure if that is what they did.

Sep 13, 2011 John Syer 19 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Geofftrez said: CP, QA and BI can never have negative values. I thought any CP add list was a later adjustment using the input method function. Any QA adjustment is mental arithmatic or part of the autocalc function. On that basis I would use the number keypad - it is quite irritating having to page on to find the decimal point. While I understand the need to have a simplified usable input method, I disagree with the notion that QA adjustment is mental arithmatic. When I was doing my DAFNE course, it was explained to us that we need to write down the adjustments explicitly so that you can look back and know what you did (especially if you are trying to work out what went wrong). As an example, an entry which reads CP:4 BG:10.4 QA:8+1-2 BI:12 note: "exercise" (with a QA:CP ratio of 2:1) is much more explicit that CP:4 BG:10.4 QA:7 BI:12 note:"exercise". The second set of numbers is not clear; did I account for the high BSL? I'm also not sure why you need a decimal point for the CP, QA or BI fields (well maybe I can see a use for it in CPs). Regards, John

Sep 13, 2011 Athena 52 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / Menstrual Cycle, BI Sorry to hear about your migraines also Pinky. Let us know how you get on with the mini pill. I asked for the pill but was refused so don't now know if it would have helped. The week I have sorte dis that of menstruation. It is the same without fail each month and I just turn my BI dose right downto what I know it will be, totally ignoring the step wise approach which is of course totally un DAFNE, but otherwise it is a week of hypos. I got fed up with it. rest of the month is a mess constantly too high which is totally exhausting. just have to crawl to work then go straight to bed when I get home and stay there. i think monitoring your own pattern is the key, but unfortunatly it takes months to see it. good luck girls

Sep 13, 2011 Geofftrez 22 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing KeithC1 said: Those fields also need to support the + and - characters so that adjustments can be entered. So while for the BG field I can use android:inputType="numberDecimal" which yields the neat numeric keypad, for the CP, QA and BI fields I have to use android:inputType="numberDecimal\|numberSigned\|text" to ensure that the + and - characters can be entered which typically yields the messy phone-style keyboard layout. CP, QA and BI can never have negative values. I thought any CP add list was a later adjustment using the input method function. Any QA adjustment is mental arithmatic or part of the autocalc function. On that basis I would use the number keypad - it is quite irritating having to page on to find the decimal point.

Sep 13, 2011 KeithCl 43 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing novorapidboi26 said: Hey, can I be emailed again with the link for the latest release............ Cheers.......... If paid work doesn't get in the way, the app will be made publicly available on the Android Market this week so I hope you can wait for that. This initial release will be the 1.3.r.265 BETA version plus a fix for the white text on a white background. Improvements to the auto-calc can be added in a future version when what is required is clear.

Sep 13, 2011 KeithCl 43 posts	Topic: DAFNE Online Mobile / Feedback from Android beta testing Geofftrez said: The keyboard layout when you call for the BG data field is perfect - simply a numeric keypad. The keyboard layout when you call for CP, QA and BI data fields is a typical phone alpha numeric keyboard. Since those fields only need numeric data I would suspect its a programming error. Those fields also need to support the + and - characters so that adjustments can be entered. So while for the BG field I can use android:inputType="numberDecimal" which yields the neat numeric keypad, for the CP, QA and BI fields I have to use android:inputType="numberDecimal\|numberSigned\|text" to ensure that the + and - characters can be entered which typically yields the messy phone-style keyboard layout.

Sep 12, 2011 novorapidboi26 1,819 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Do I adjust BI or QA first? The only way to be sure your not having overnight hypos is to test, every hour would be good, although a pain....... My own personal theory is that dawn phenomenon starts a couple of hours, roughly, before you get up, so your body clock will be used to determine when this is............so for me, its starts about 4:00-4:30 as I get up at 6:30, so testing at 3am is the best time for me if I wanted to prove dawn phenomenon was taking place, as theoretically my BG would be fine at 3am, but then at 4:30am it would go up......this is proof, you should try a similar time to confirm........ you need to give your dose changes a few days, if you cant find a happy medium with the QA dose, then a small tweak of the BI should be considered......... When were you told to drop your ratio to 0.5:1? When you refer to being steady, what do you mean................your on target one day and not the next? Its just that getting your BG steady between meals is possible, but not easy, going up then back down is normal, its getting that spike to be as small as possible that the tricky part..........

Sep 11, 2011 kay70mea 6 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Do I adjust BI or QA first? Hi Novorapidboi26, I have upped the tea time ratio from 1:1 to one and a half to one and it steady one day and not the next although my working day doesn't change, and I have done the testing over night and it's steady so I gather the background one is ok and I was asked by my dsn to lower my quick acting to half to one ratio but I think thast it's not quite enough, and yes I have heard of the early morning phenomonon through this web site but I was always told that I was having night time hypos NOT a chance because I don't feel groggy in the morning's, so any other suggestions would be gratefully received.

Sep 11, 2011 novorapidboi26 1,819 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Do I adjust BI or QA first? If you eliminate the 2 most obvious variables, which are; 1. Your Evening Meal ratio 2. Your Supper ratio Then you can go on with the background testing................so upping your dose and testing through the night............ It sounds as though you may have some dawn phenomenon.........are you aware of this? When is supper? Are you always higher before this? That may suggest a dose is out, either dinner QA or BI, or both!!!