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Aug 30, 2012

Phil Maskell 194 posts

Topic: General Discussion / morning highs

Hi,

Whats your 3am test like, has it risen by then? When I was getting 10+ in the mornings my Consultant said if it was DP there were 3 options...

1. wake about 4/5am and test/inject (he said he had one person do this, very keen)
2. if morning BG was at most 12 then live with it and correct at breakfast (even with higher morning BG my HBA1c was around 7.5)
3. consider pump to get the increased insulin needed gradually.

I went with option 2 Very Happy

What do your Diabetic people think? Was this an issue before DAFNE? I don't know what your BGs are like, but when I'm not dieting 10.7 is actually a reasonable level for me. Are you beating yourself up too much? How are these higher morning BG effecting your HBA1c? Relax and go with option 2 Very Happy

Phil

Aug 30, 2012

susieq 19 posts

Topic: General Discussion / morning highs

Sjohno

Yes usually they're around 6 or 7 before bed. that's what's so frustrating. I have tea about 5 - 6pm then that's it, last night an omelette with bacon and salad. then it rose to 10.5 overnight. That's with an increase of basal by 2u.

The thing is...... DAFNE was meant to assist with NORMAL eating, am I right, not low/no carbs?? shame that. I was expecting too much then, I still have to eliminate all the carbs before I can get to normal readings.

Aug 30, 2012

mum2westiesGill 502 posts

Topic: General Discussion / What did you have to eat yesterday?

My catch up from the last few days (I know, very boring & unhealthy Sad

)

Sunday - 26/08/2012

Breakfast - toast (2 x rnds)

Lunch - McDonald's Filet-o-Fish
Fries (med ptn)

Dinner - chinese (king prawn in black bean sce
fried rice

Monday - 27/08/2012

Breakfast - bread (2 x rnds)
tomatoes (tinned)

Lunch -

Dinner - Chicken & Vegetable Bake
garlic brd rnds (3 x)

Tuesday - 28/08/2012

Breakfast - toast (2 x rnds)

Lunch - paste sandwich (2 x rnds brd)
crisps (1 x 25g bag)

Dinner - Young's Chip Shop Fish & Chips

Wednesday - 29/08/2012

Breakfast - toast (2 x rnds)

Lunch - paste sandwich (2 x rnds brd)
crisps (1 x 25g bag)

Dinner - Chicken & Vegetable Bake
garlic brd rnds (3 x)

Aug 30, 2012

Phil Maskell 194 posts

Topic: General Discussion / morning highs

sjohno said:
susieq - is your pre-bed BG in range?

With low carbs and increased exercise often a bit low now, not too bad about 4.5 to 5.5, used to be a bit on the high side 8 to 10 when dinner was carb loaded. For me I'm not sure its the bedtime BG as in the old days I often went to bed with BG 6 or 7 and woke with 14+. I think for me its the no carbs in the system floating around overnight.

Aug 30, 2012

Phil Maskell 194 posts

Topic: General Discussion / morning highs

Hi,

I am on a bit of a fitness/diet at the moment and used to get this problem, I now have next to no carbs after lunch so my bedtime BG is around 4 or 5 (often need a few carbs to keep me up). Going to bed with this lower BG and no pasta/pizza floating around seems to have done the trick, I am now having to lower my background as I am low in the morning. In the 25 years of Type 1 I have never had low morning BG until now.

I know this isn't a life long fix as I am going to want to eat in the evening again at some point, but it proves its the carbs over night that are causing my issue and probably yours.

If you find a solution without starving yourself let me know Very Happy

Phil

Aug 30, 2012

Alan 49 284 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Dafne Diary - looking for some comments / help

I am not qualified to give advice, but I find it useful to enter the total CPs, BI and the ratios in the table part of the diary. This makes it easier to spot trends and then make decisions where needed. I also enter my bedtime BGs and any corrections in the table. I also keep a separate list of meals and my CP estimates which I can refer to before I inject.

Aug 30, 2012

susieq 19 posts

Topic: General Discussion / morning highs

No, it's OK all throughout the day... really good, but it's just the waking numbers, I've increased my bi by 2u, and for 3 days now it's still been 10.7 ! Question

Aug 30, 2012

vic demain 87 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Result.

Did the course about 3 yrs ago. Thought it was brilliant, learnt so much about the condition. Came out of it really hopeful of a better future. Worked tirelessly since, measuring, balancing, adjusting. Unfortunately control is still no better, still up and down readings all over the place, went for MOT yesterday and feel like we have gone backwards. Sad

Aug 29, 2012

Moris 9 posts

Topic: General Discussion / morning highs

I can normally get it down by lunchtime.

Aug 29, 2012

susieq 19 posts

Topic: General Discussion / morning highs

Thanks Moris, I'll try this, gotta try everything haven't you. try and get off this roller coaster ! Confused

Aug 29, 2012

Moris 9 posts

Topic: General Discussion / morning highs

Hi Susieq
I have the same problem.
The only way that seems to work for me is to make sure that my meals are at least six hours apart and that if I have a less active day I only have two meals. Do not eat a lot of complex carbs after lunch and keep your portion sizes down.
Hope this helps,
Moris.

Aug 29, 2012

susieq 19 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Diabetic jokes

There was once a girl called susie
who was new to a lot of this stuff
she got so frustrated
with basals and bolus
she flung them and walked off in a huff

Aug 29, 2012

susieq 19 posts

Topic: General Discussion / morning highs

I just wrote a whole umpynine word post here about morning highs and this darn site deleted it while I was posting. grrrrr don't you hate that? lol

The gist of it was that I can't seem to get my morning levels down, tried increasing bi, tried low/no carb suppers, tried 3am testing... if it's normal then....then what? dawn phenomenon - is it that? If so is it always gonna happen??

can't write anymore...it'll probably not post it anyway Sad

grrr

Aug 27, 2012

mum2westiesGill 502 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Dafne Diary - looking for some comments / help

I take 26u BI at bedtime. In some of the BFAST comments sections you will see "BED lst nght 26u BI"

Aug 27, 2012

Alan 49 284 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Diabetic jokes

Thanks for that, John - I didn't realise that Limericks had feet!

Aug 27, 2012

Alan 49 284 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Dafne Diary - looking for some comments / help

My immediate observation is that you don't seem to be taking any Background Insulin - is that the case?

Aug 27, 2012

mum2westiesGill 502 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Dafne Diary - looking for some comments / help

Hi,

As the title says i'm just looking for some comments / help with my diary / results.

I work on a 1: 1 ratio.

Gill

Aug 27, 2012

kate_1985 2 posts

Topic: General Discussion / 7-day waking average

Mine was 15 this morning Crying or Very sad

Aug 27, 2012

Adrienne 14 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Carb group replacement

Cauliflower rice...it's pretty good with a curry or stir-fry (and I don't even like cauliflower!)

Ingredients:
1/2 head cauliflower
1/2 teaspoon salt (optional)
Directions:
1 Put the cauliflower through the food processor or chop by hand to a semi fine consistency.
2 You can now steam, microwave or sautÃ© with butter.
3 Please do not overcook.

Read more at: http://www.food.com/recipe/cauliflower-rice-low-carb-121423?oc=linkback

Aug 27, 2012

Adrienne 14 posts

Topic: General Discussion / 7-day waking average

2.7 this morning for me, eek!
Perhaps I didn't need that increase in my basal afterall!

Aug 26, 2012

john day 54 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Diabetic jokes

Hi Alan .. had a peer at wiki and indeed...

The standard form of a limerick is a stanza of five lines, with the first, second and fifth usually rhyming with one another and having three feet of three syllables each; and the shorter third and fourth lines also rhyming with each other, but having only two feet of three syllables. The defining "foot" of a limerick's meter is usually the anapaest, (ta-ta-TUM), but limericks can also be considered amphibrachic (ta-TUM-ta)... (and much more).

So all forumites now have no excuse....

Cheers, John

Aug 26, 2012

kate_1985 2 posts

Topic: General Discussion / 7-day waking average

Heehee this could be an interesting thread ... I was 8.1 this morning. I did Dafne last week and I am usually higher than this in the morning so pleased with how it is going so far Very Happy

Aug 26, 2012

mum2westiesGill 502 posts

Topic: General Discussion / What did you have to eat yesterday?

Just a catch up from the last few days

Tuesday - 21/08/2012

Breakfast - toast (2 x rnds)

Lunch -

Dinner - cheese & ham pasta bake (homemade)

Wednesday - 22/08/2012

Breakfast - toast (2 x rnds)

Lunch - cheese sandwich (2 x rnds brd)

Dinner - salmon fillet / spaghetti

Thursday - 23/08/2012

Breakfast - toast (2 x rnds)

Lunch -

Dinner - Young's Chip Shop Fish & Chips ready meal

Friday - 24/08/2012

Breakfast - toast (2 x rnds)

Lunch -

Dinner - fish pie (homemade)

Yesterday - 25/08/2012

Breakfast - toast (2 x rnds)

Lunch - paste sandwich (2 x rnds brd)
cup soup

Dinner -

Supper - chippy - jumbo sausage
chips (few, not many)

Aug 26, 2012

Alan 49 284 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Diabetic jokes

Yes John - Limericks have 5 lines.

I have another one ('Oh No!' I hear you groan):

A diabetic fell out with his G.P.
'Too many strips you are using' said he
The diabetic insisted -
'You're being ham-fisted -
Good control means I'll be complications-free'.

It doesn't scan properly, but I claim 'poetic licence'.

Aug 30, 2012 Phil Maskell 194 posts	Topic: General Discussion / morning highs Hi, Whats your 3am test like, has it risen by then? When I was getting 10+ in the mornings my Consultant said if it was DP there were 3 options... 1. wake about 4/5am and test/inject (he said he had one person do this, very keen) 2. if morning BG was at most 12 then live with it and correct at breakfast (even with higher morning BG my HBA1c was around 7.5) 3. consider pump to get the increased insulin needed gradually. I went with option 2 What do your Diabetic people think? Was this an issue before DAFNE? I don't know what your BGs are like, but when I'm not dieting 10.7 is actually a reasonable level for me. Are you beating yourself up too much? How are these higher morning BG effecting your HBA1c? Relax and go with option 2 Phil

Aug 30, 2012 susieq 19 posts	Topic: General Discussion / morning highs Sjohno Yes usually they're around 6 or 7 before bed. that's what's so frustrating. I have tea about 5 - 6pm then that's it, last night an omelette with bacon and salad. then it rose to 10.5 overnight. That's with an increase of basal by 2u. The thing is...... DAFNE was meant to assist with NORMAL eating, am I right, not low/no carbs?? shame that. I was expecting too much then, I still have to eliminate all the carbs before I can get to normal readings.

Aug 30, 2012 mum2westiesGill 502 posts	Topic: General Discussion / What did you have to eat yesterday? My catch up from the last few days (I know, very boring & unhealthy ) Sunday - 26/08/2012 Breakfast - toast (2 x rnds) Lunch - McDonald's Filet-o-Fish Fries (med ptn) Dinner - chinese (king prawn in black bean sce fried rice Monday - 27/08/2012 Breakfast - bread (2 x rnds) tomatoes (tinned) Lunch - Dinner - Chicken & Vegetable Bake garlic brd rnds (3 x) Tuesday - 28/08/2012 Breakfast - toast (2 x rnds) Lunch - paste sandwich (2 x rnds brd) crisps (1 x 25g bag) Dinner - Young's Chip Shop Fish & Chips Wednesday - 29/08/2012 Breakfast - toast (2 x rnds) Lunch - paste sandwich (2 x rnds brd) crisps (1 x 25g bag) Dinner - Chicken & Vegetable Bake garlic brd rnds (3 x)

Aug 30, 2012 Phil Maskell 194 posts	Topic: General Discussion / morning highs sjohno said: susieq - is your pre-bed BG in range? With low carbs and increased exercise often a bit low now, not too bad about 4.5 to 5.5, used to be a bit on the high side 8 to 10 when dinner was carb loaded. For me I'm not sure its the bedtime BG as in the old days I often went to bed with BG 6 or 7 and woke with 14+. I think for me its the no carbs in the system floating around overnight.

Aug 30, 2012 Phil Maskell 194 posts	Topic: General Discussion / morning highs Hi, I am on a bit of a fitness/diet at the moment and used to get this problem, I now have next to no carbs after lunch so my bedtime BG is around 4 or 5 (often need a few carbs to keep me up). Going to bed with this lower BG and no pasta/pizza floating around seems to have done the trick, I am now having to lower my background as I am low in the morning. In the 25 years of Type 1 I have never had low morning BG until now. I know this isn't a life long fix as I am going to want to eat in the evening again at some point, but it proves its the carbs over night that are causing my issue and probably yours. If you find a solution without starving yourself let me know Phil

Aug 30, 2012 Alan 49 284 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Dafne Diary - looking for some comments / help I am not qualified to give advice, but I find it useful to enter the total CPs, BI and the ratios in the table part of the diary. This makes it easier to spot trends and then make decisions where needed. I also enter my bedtime BGs and any corrections in the table. I also keep a separate list of meals and my CP estimates which I can refer to before I inject.

Aug 30, 2012 susieq 19 posts	Topic: General Discussion / morning highs No, it's OK all throughout the day... really good, but it's just the waking numbers, I've increased my bi by 2u, and for 3 days now it's still been 10.7 !

Aug 30, 2012 vic demain 87 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Result. Did the course about 3 yrs ago. Thought it was brilliant, learnt so much about the condition. Came out of it really hopeful of a better future. Worked tirelessly since, measuring, balancing, adjusting. Unfortunately control is still no better, still up and down readings all over the place, went for MOT yesterday and feel like we have gone backwards.

Aug 29, 2012 Moris 9 posts	Topic: General Discussion / morning highs I can normally get it down by lunchtime.

Aug 29, 2012 susieq 19 posts	Topic: General Discussion / morning highs Thanks Moris, I'll try this, gotta try everything haven't you. try and get off this roller coaster !

Aug 29, 2012 Moris 9 posts	Topic: General Discussion / morning highs Hi Susieq I have the same problem. The only way that seems to work for me is to make sure that my meals are at least six hours apart and that if I have a less active day I only have two meals. Do not eat a lot of complex carbs after lunch and keep your portion sizes down. Hope this helps, Moris.

Aug 29, 2012 susieq 19 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Diabetic jokes There was once a girl called susie who was new to a lot of this stuff she got so frustrated with basals and bolus she flung them and walked off in a huff

Aug 29, 2012 susieq 19 posts	Topic: General Discussion / morning highs I just wrote a whole umpynine word post here about morning highs and this darn site deleted it while I was posting. grrrrr don't you hate that? lol The gist of it was that I can't seem to get my morning levels down, tried increasing bi, tried low/no carb suppers, tried 3am testing... if it's normal then....then what? dawn phenomenon - is it that? If so is it always gonna happen?? can't write anymore...it'll probably not post it anyway grrr

Aug 27, 2012 mum2westiesGill 502 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Dafne Diary - looking for some comments / help I take 26u BI at bedtime. In some of the BFAST comments sections you will see "BED lst nght 26u BI"

Aug 27, 2012 Alan 49 284 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Diabetic jokes Thanks for that, John - I didn't realise that Limericks had feet!

Aug 27, 2012 Alan 49 284 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Dafne Diary - looking for some comments / help My immediate observation is that you don't seem to be taking any Background Insulin - is that the case?

Aug 27, 2012 mum2westiesGill 502 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Dafne Diary - looking for some comments / help Hi, As the title says i'm just looking for some comments / help with my diary / results. I work on a 1: 1 ratio. Gill

Aug 27, 2012 kate_1985 2 posts	Topic: General Discussion / 7-day waking average Mine was 15 this morning

Aug 27, 2012 Adrienne 14 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Carb group replacement Cauliflower rice...it's pretty good with a curry or stir-fry (and I don't even like cauliflower!) Ingredients: 1/2 head cauliflower 1/2 teaspoon salt (optional) Directions: 1 Put the cauliflower through the food processor or chop by hand to a semi fine consistency. 2 You can now steam, microwave or sautÃ© with butter. 3 Please do not overcook. Read more at: http://www.food.com/recipe/cauliflower-rice-low-carb-121423?oc=linkback

Aug 27, 2012 Adrienne 14 posts	Topic: General Discussion / 7-day waking average 2.7 this morning for me, eek! Perhaps I didn't need that increase in my basal afterall!

Aug 26, 2012 john day 54 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Diabetic jokes Hi Alan .. had a peer at wiki and indeed... The standard form of a limerick is a stanza of five lines, with the first, second and fifth usually rhyming with one another and having three feet of three syllables each; and the shorter third and fourth lines also rhyming with each other, but having only two feet of three syllables. The defining "foot" of a limerick's meter is usually the anapaest, (ta-ta-TUM), but limericks can also be considered amphibrachic (ta-TUM-ta)... (and much more). So all forumites now have no excuse.... Cheers, John

Aug 26, 2012 kate_1985 2 posts	Topic: General Discussion / 7-day waking average Heehee this could be an interesting thread ... I was 8.1 this morning. I did Dafne last week and I am usually higher than this in the morning so pleased with how it is going so far

Aug 26, 2012 mum2westiesGill 502 posts	Topic: General Discussion / What did you have to eat yesterday? Just a catch up from the last few days Tuesday - 21/08/2012 Breakfast - toast (2 x rnds) Lunch - Dinner - cheese & ham pasta bake (homemade) Wednesday - 22/08/2012 Breakfast - toast (2 x rnds) Lunch - cheese sandwich (2 x rnds brd) Dinner - salmon fillet / spaghetti Thursday - 23/08/2012 Breakfast - toast (2 x rnds) Lunch - Dinner - Young's Chip Shop Fish & Chips ready meal Friday - 24/08/2012 Breakfast - toast (2 x rnds) Lunch - Dinner - fish pie (homemade) Yesterday - 25/08/2012 Breakfast - toast (2 x rnds) Lunch - paste sandwich (2 x rnds brd) cup soup Dinner - Supper - chippy - jumbo sausage chips (few, not many)

Aug 26, 2012 Alan 49 284 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Diabetic jokes Yes John - Limericks have 5 lines. I have another one ('Oh No!' I hear you groan): A diabetic fell out with his G.P. 'Too many strips you are using' said he The diabetic insisted - 'You're being ham-fisted - Good control means I'll be complications-free'. It doesn't scan properly, but I claim 'poetic licence'.