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Mar 15, 2012
novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Exercise classes and type1?

I personally take readings after my lunch and dinner, this lets me know my dose, and timing is doing the job, that job being keeping the spikes to single figures and even under 8 if I can...............this is the only way to achieve good HbA1c results, by focusing on my readings between meals..........

I dont do it in the morning as I suffer from the dawn phenomenon and I am on a ratio of 3:1 then, so my BG will always be going down as opposed to up then down.....

All types of foods also effect people differently and therefore can cause significant spikes for some and small spikes for others. Testing at these times for me is crucial when trying to establish what food and mixtures of food need what timing of insulin to minimize spikes.......

You are meant to test before driving, however I admit to not doing so, but I always carry hypo resolve and my symptoms are still strong....

And finally, having lots of readings means that you will be able to obtain a more accurate average reading and therefore the, 7, 14, 30 and 90 day averages will be more realistic.........which wont make your HbA1c better, but lets you track your control better......... Smile
 
Mar 15, 2012
Eugene 27 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Exercise classes and type1?

barneybubbles said:

novorapidboi26 said:

Eugene said:
Each person will differ/vary. I train 3/4 times weekly in gym, I engage in strenuous clases,as well as weight training,and spin classes lasting 40 minutes. I also do occasional runs of about 3/4 km. I would spend a minimum of 80 minutes per session working out. I dont measure bloods before or after unless I would have the slightest doubts about my bloodsugar levels.
I find its very important to take correct insulin at next scheduled time.As I found I was possibly taking an extra QA and going low during the nights after exersising. I have since almost totally corrected this by insuring the dose is as exact as is possible.

For anyone with a smart phone, I find the Android app really convenient and extremely helpful.I no longer use a paper diary, I record all my readings on the App, which also has Food Groups, Carb counter, summary etc. As I always have my phone with me, I now dont miss recording my readings.



You say you dont test prior to and after activity, did you used to? If so what were your readings?

Surely your BG levels are effected by your exercise.........?

I use both paper and app, the app for me cant spot patterns and display them to you, hence the paper........

I test before and after the gym. If the reading before is in double figures i do not take carbs, but if under 10 I eat half a biscuit. Whilst exercising, about half way through I have a satsuma as recommended on my dafne course. Sometimes none of this works and I am in hypo range when I return from the gym,sometimes my readings go upafter exercise instead of down. No real reason for it!



After doing the DAFNE course I was testing prior to gym workouts, but I found following any of the recommendations , my figures were all over the place.You say if your figures were under 10, u would eat a biscuit, unless my levels were near to 4, I wouldnt be taking anything .If they were above double figures I'd probably feel I should be taking a unit of QA , unless my previous dose was still working . I'm suprised that so many people seem or feel the need to take lots of readings, especially when quite a few of these readings are being taken when the QA acting is still working away.( I was told it start's working with in 10 minutes, and goes on for approx 3 hours) This would definately account for so many readings being in double figures.
 
Mar 15, 2012
barneybubbles 7 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Exercise classes and type1?

novorapidboi26 said:

Eugene said:
Each person will differ/vary. I train 3/4 times weekly in gym, I engage in strenuous clases,as well as weight training,and spin classes lasting 40 minutes. I also do occasional runs of about 3/4 km. I would spend a minimum of 80 minutes per session working out. I dont measure bloods before or after unless I would have the slightest doubts about my bloodsugar levels.
I find its very important to take correct insulin at next scheduled time.As I found I was possibly taking an extra QA and going low during the nights after exersising. I have since almost totally corrected this by insuring the dose is as exact as is possible.

For anyone with a smart phone, I find the Android app really convenient and extremely helpful.I no longer use a paper diary, I record all my readings on the App, which also has Food Groups, Carb counter, summary etc. As I always have my phone with me, I now dont miss recording my readings.



You say you dont test prior to and after activity, did you used to? If so what were your readings?

Surely your BG levels are effected by your exercise.........?

I use both paper and app, the app for me cant spot patterns and display them to you, hence the paper........

I test before and after the gym. If the reading before is in double figures i do not take carbs, but if under 10 I eat half a biscuit. Whilst exercising, about half way through I have a satsuma as recommended on my dafne course. Sometimes none of this works and I am in hypo range when I return from the gym,sometimes my readings go upafter exercise instead of down. No real reason for it!
 
Mar 15, 2012
Eugene 27 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Exercise classes and type1?

well i think there is a solution for everyone, its just finding a balance that suits you...
when I was first diagnosed I was bit of a model patient for them, but then realised I wasnt going to let it take over my life, stop me from enjoying food, drink, nights out and exersise...well a lot of the people Ive met whoe are recently diagnosed, struggle with there sugars , and accepting its a no cure illness....
 
Mar 14, 2012
Eugene 27 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Exercise classes and type1?

sjohno said:
it's good that you can do a 1:1 ratio, are you able to eat non carb foods without taking any QA?


Ye I'm on a 1:1 ratio, If i eat non carb food , I wouldn't take any QA .
 
Mar 14, 2012
jgibson1962 29 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Exercise classes and type1?

I do WIng Chun as well, but combine it with some MMA, havent had any issues so far, just up my carbs as needed. I also do a lot of Horse Riding and find that far more strenuous, but so far since being diagnosed last July have only had a couple of mild Hypo reactions. Wink
 
Mar 14, 2012
Eugene 27 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Exercise classes and type1?

sjohno said:
Cool As you say it's all mysterious how differently diabetes affects all of us

I do 5 Zumba classes a week plus 3 Body Pump classes, I was advised by my DAFNE team to drop 2 units of Novarapid before the classes. Sometimes this works, sometimes it doesn't, yesterday I did a Zumba class and my readings were:

07.00 BG 7.2 CP 4 QA 5
10.00-11.00 Zumba class
12.10 BG 7.4 CP 6 QA 9
17.00 BG 7.2 CP 4 QA 4
20.00 BI 15
22.00 BG 4.7 +1CP

I only dropped 1 QA this time because the BG was a good reading. My dinner time meal at 17.00 only consisted of 2 CP, the rest of it was chicken and vegetables for which I have to take QA. But I do 4-5 BG readings a day, more if needs be like driving etc.



Interesting looking at your readings, where i would have differed with you in the action taken is , I would have taken only 4 QA at 7am. 6 QA at 12.10 pm exactly the same at 5 pm. I would take BI at 9.30 pm, of 8units. Generally never take readings after that, if I have late night snack, I just take the QA that corresponds to the cp of what I've eaten.
 
Mar 14, 2012
Eugene 27 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Exercise classes and type1?

thebatoutofhull said:
Hi, just to say that I have stopped injecting in my stomach area because it increased fat deposits. I have already noticed a difference after about 2 months.

Eugene said:
sjohno
Ive been type 1 for almost 7 years, was never sick, just started drinking gallons of anything I could get my hands on, sweeeter the better ! just mentioned it to Doc when went about a cold, and immediatly diagnosed as Type1 after urine sample in his office !!
novarapidboi26
Well I take loads of carbs noting to do with exersise or gym, just types of food I like. Pre DAFNE I used to take in total 24 measures daily including BI ! Couldnt figure out , still cant how my control was so good !
What I also found out was that because I was injecting in my stomach, three times on same side with Novarapid, once on other side for levemir, I had a layer of fat ( thayt I couldn't shift)which was exactly in the injection areas. and it was larger on the Novarapid side which I injected three times daily. Found an article in Fitness magazine which said the Insulin was responsible for me retaining subcutaneous fat in the injection areas. I now inject into top of my legs, right for Levemir , left Novarapid Very Happy I have reduced the layer of fat, but still little bit there.Diabetes is weird the way it effects us differently ! My readings today were 6.7 at 8.30 am, took 11 units , for my 11CP.At 2.18 pm, BS was 5.9, took 10 units for cp value of 10. at 9.05 pm, BS was 6.9, took 13 units, for CP value of 13.
At 9.30pm, just took 8 units of BI, didnt do any readings, this is my normal regime, in comparison to some I know, I think Im quite fortunate.



Yes I was never told by any of the Doctors or Consultants that the Insulin could cause build up of fat in the injection sites. They had no objection what so ever to me switching ,to top of my legs though. Its something I think Doctors should mention to all patients but especialy those who they know are following fitness regimes.
 
Mar 14, 2012
Eugene 27 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Exercise classes and type1?

novorapidboi26 said:
I don't know where you guys get the time for all that......I get home at 5 pm and then a couple of nights a week I do some martial arts training.........

Eugene, the description of your control is not very common with all the diabetics I talk to in the UK, so your very lucky, being physically on form means the cells of your body must be using the insulin really efficiently........and even after 7 years, you might still have some beta cell function.....maybe not though.........

You say your 80kg, what's that in stone.......seems tiny, which again will help.......

80 kg is 12.5 stone,which I dont think is tiny, Im 5.7 " I hope to get it down to 12 stone, and stabilise at that weight.I was a stone heavier three years ago, before I got back to regular exersise.Now the exersise I do are quite intense with very little rest periods in between. I know what your saying regarding my control regime, but in the DAFNE group I was in, everyone had a different way of doing it previously, and our readings differed greatly. My Doctors have said I dont have any Beta cell function, I was tried on tablets initally but I may as well have being taken smarties.
 
Mar 14, 2012
thebatoutofhull 60 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Exercise classes and type1?

Hi, just to say that I have stopped injecting in my stomach area because it increased fat deposits. I have already noticed a difference after about 2 months.

Eugene said:
sjohno
Ive been type 1 for almost 7 years, was never sick, just started drinking gallons of anything I could get my hands on, sweeeter the better ! just mentioned it to Doc when went about a cold, and immediatly diagnosed as Type1 after urine sample in his office !!
novarapidboi26
Well I take loads of carbs noting to do with exersise or gym, just types of food I like. Pre DAFNE I used to take in total 24 measures daily including BI ! Couldnt figure out , still cant how my control was so good !
What I also found out was that because I was injecting in my stomach, three times on same side with Novarapid, once on other side for levemir, I had a layer of fat ( thayt I couldn't shift)which was exactly in the injection areas. and it was larger on the Novarapid side which I injected three times daily. Found an article in Fitness magazine which said the Insulin was responsible for me retaining subcutaneous fat in the injection areas. I now inject into top of my legs, right for Levemir , left Novarapid Very Happy I have reduced the layer of fat, but still little bit there.Diabetes is weird the way it effects us differently ! My readings today were 6.7 at 8.30 am, took 11 units , for my 11CP.At 2.18 pm, BS was 5.9, took 10 units for cp value of 10. at 9.05 pm, BS was 6.9, took 13 units, for CP value of 13.
At 9.30pm, just took 8 units of BI, didnt do any readings, this is my normal regime, in comparison to some I know, I think Im quite fortunate.
 
Mar 14, 2012
novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Exercise classes and type1?

I don't know where you guys get the time for all that......I get home at 5 pm and then a couple of nights a week I do some martial arts training.........

Eugene, the description of your control is not very common with all the diabetics I talk to in the UK, so your very lucky, being physically on form means the cells of your body must be using the insulin really efficiently........and even after 7 years, you might still have some beta cell function.....maybe not though.........

You say your 80kg, what's that in stone.......seems tiny, which again will help.......
 
Mar 13, 2012
Eugene 27 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Exercise classes and type1?

sjohno
Ive been type 1 for almost 7 years, was never sick, just started drinking gallons of anything I could get my hands on, sweeeter the better ! just mentioned it to Doc when went about a cold, and immediatly diagnosed as Type1 after urine sample in his office !!
novarapidboi26
Well I take loads of carbs noting to do with exersise or gym, just types of food I like. Pre DAFNE I used to take in total 24 measures daily including BI ! Couldnt figure out , still cant how my control was so good !
What I also found out was that because I was injecting in my stomach, three times on same side with Novarapid, once on other side for levemir, I had a layer of fat ( thayt I couldn't shift)which was exactly in the injection areas. and it was larger on the Novarapid side which I injected three times daily. Found an article in Fitness magazine which said the Insulin was responsible for me retaining subcutaneous fat in the injection areas. I now inject into top of my legs, right for Levemir , left Novarapid Very Happy I have reduced the layer of fat, but still little bit there.Diabetes is weird the way it effects us differently ! My readings today were 6.7 at 8.30 am, took 11 units , for my 11CP.At 2.18 pm, BS was 5.9, took 10 units for cp value of 10. at 9.05 pm, BS was 6.9, took 13 units, for CP value of 13.
At 9.30pm, just took 8 units of BI, didnt do any readings, this is my normal regime, in comparison to some I know, I think Im quite fortunate.
 
Mar 13, 2012
novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Exercise classes and type1?

I think your levels of activity and muscle mass is most definitely the reason your on so little insulin, that or you have been diagnosed within the last few years...........

I need to get more active and drop my carbs pronto.......;)

Will never be on doses like you though......Sad
 
Mar 13, 2012
Eugene 27 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Exercise classes and type1?

It just shows how different our regimes are and what works for individual.My diet is varied and I eat what I want .I seldom take my insulin before my meals (just bad habit) Usually start getting meal ready ,calculate carbs I do weigh all my carbs when I'm at home,eat my food sometimes take QA just before I start eating but just as often afterwards .Before DAFNE I took 3x6 QA and 6 BI !
So post DAFNE I was taking more insulin because I was measuring my carbs value.I love whole meal breads pasta
 
Mar 13, 2012
Eugene 27 posts

Topic: General Discussion / When is best to take BI Levemir

I take my Levemir @9.30pm approx each evening.I'm fortunate in not requiring any further BI.Never had any problem with Levimer and on odd occasions I would have good few drinks I would drop one unit.Recently I forgot to bring my background insulin and for the one day I was without I found my readings were fine .
 
Mar 13, 2012
novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Exercise classes and type1?

your HbA1c is good, well done.............it just shows you being active really does the job, and its probably down to this that makes your bg manageable..................i would imagine youe insulin doses are tiny, so less room for error etc........

what is your diet like?

do you find you need to inject long before meals?
 
Mar 13, 2012
Eugene 27 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Exercise classes and type1?

No I dont adjust my insulin level or measure them before exersise. If I had any doubts or was feeling the slightest bit off, I would check my levels, but generally I dont need or have to check them.
Generally i will have eaten at least 90 minutes prior to exersise or going to the gym,so I would have tested blood sugars then,but mainly for record purposes and to see how much QA insulin I required.
After doing the DAFNE course, I almost eighteen months ago, I did take small dose of insulin prior to exersise, but I found my figures were all over the place, and resulted in more lows. So i decided not to make any adjustments or take any readings just because of exersise. My HbA1c figures before and after DAFNE are very similar which suprised me, as I generally took less insulin prior to DAFNE. I find my weight is stable, because I do fair amount of weight training, I havent lost a lot of weight,(muscle being heavier) stabilised now at 80kg, but not carrying any loose flesh.
 
Mar 13, 2012
Eugene 27 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Exercise classes and type1?

novorapidboi26
My last HbA1c was 6.7 , my meal figures are normally in single figures, unless I have had a snack or its only been a couple of hours since I last took insulin. When I did the DAFNE course, I was struck by the different regimes we all seemed to have. I couldnt be taking readings 6,or 8 times daily as my normal routine, personally it suits me to take readings prior to main meals, breakfast,lunch, dinner. Then I take my background insulin at 9.30pm, I just record this, and generally wouldnt take my blood sugar levels unlessI felt the need. This regime suits me, its not to invasive and now with the App, not having to go looking for pen or a diary !
I have an appointment with my Consultant/Hospital in two weeks and will get my most recent HbA1c, cholesterol levels.

sjohno
I would normally go to gym, about 60/90 minutes after having had my lunch/food, I would have checked my blood sugars prior to the food. UnlessI felt a doubt about my levels , I wouldn't feel it necessary to test prior or after my gym workouts, or runs.I can generally feel /tell if my levels are off and would test,in such circumstances.
 
Mar 13, 2012
novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: Site Development / Show diary entries between query

I think by default it goes back to the most recent results, probably because the most recent results are the ones we are concerned with............

if it didn't this might cause protest for others who dont want to see results from 2, 3 weeks ago.......

might be good to have a month/calendar type thing at the side for quick navigation......
 
Mar 13, 2012
novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Exercise classes and type1?

3 readings a day, wow, I take between 8-10, however I certainly dont need to take that amount at least as far as following the DAFNE principals are concerned.............i try and get my between meal readings down to single figures, otherwise there would be no chance of getting a lower HbA1c.....

6.6 is a good average, not very accurate with only 3 readings, but good none the less, what is your latest HbA1c?
 
Mar 13, 2012
Eugene 27 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Exercise classes and type1?

As I said we all vary/differ,I've never measured prior to exercise unless I had doubts about my blood sugar levels. Similarly I wouldn't measure afterwards unless I felt there was need. I find it easier to spot trends on App rather than having to flick back through pages in diary. My fitness level certainly has big bearing on my bloodsugars,my average readings over past two months = 6.6.
I try to just take three readings daily,as well as recording my background insulin,but I generally don't record my blood sugars's when taking my
background insulin( unless I felt there was need or I had any doubts).
If I eat between meals/readings,I make would just take the required QA.
 
Mar 13, 2012
Simon 578 posts

Topic: Site Development / Show diary entries between query

Hi Nicky,

I'll take a look at this for you and see if we can fix it.

Simon
 
Mar 13, 2012
Nicky B 5 posts

Topic: Site Development / Show diary entries between query

Hi,

When using the "Show diary entries between:" option on "My Blood Gluscose Diary" I select a range to view but if I edit an entry or add an entry it goes back to the default view and not the range I selected.

Is this something that can be fixed?

Thanks in advance.

Nicky Very Happy
 
Mar 13, 2012
novorapidboi26 1,819 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Exercise classes and type1?

Eugene said:
Each person will differ/vary. I train 3/4 times weekly in gym, I engage in strenuous clases,as well as weight training,and spin classes lasting 40 minutes. I also do occasional runs of about 3/4 km. I would spend a minimum of 80 minutes per session working out. I dont measure bloods before or after unless I would have the slightest doubts about my bloodsugar levels.
I find its very important to take correct insulin at next scheduled time.As I found I was possibly taking an extra QA and going low during the nights after exersising. I have since almost totally corrected this by insuring the dose is as exact as is possible.

For anyone with a smart phone, I find the Android app really convenient and extremely helpful.I no longer use a paper diary, I record all my readings on the App, which also has Food Groups, Carb counter, summary etc. As I always have my phone with me, I now dont miss recording my readings.



You say you dont test prior to and after activity, did you used to? If so what were your readings?

Surely your BG levels are effected by your exercise.........?

I use both paper and app, the app for me cant spot patterns and display them to you, hence the paper........