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Jul 20, 2012

novorapidboi26 1,818 posts

Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right

Going back to the remembering of ratios etc, when you go into settings>specify targets in order to change your BG targets and mealtime ratios, you hit done when finished and exit back out, when I go back in my previous changes are gone.....

Anyone else.....?

Jul 20, 2012

derekh1965 99 posts

Topic: Questions ? / Long Acting Insulin

Hi,
I have a question for an HCP. When I was diagnosed type 1 in 1994 I was put on a Humilin Soluble/isophane mix twice a day.
Then in 1996 I was put on this great new quick acting insulin which gives greater control, Humalog. Told to take that before every meal and to only take my long acting, Humilin Isophane (BI) at dinnertime. Which I have done for the past 16 years.
Now after doing the DAFNE Course I am told to take my BI twice a day, why? If QA lasts 2 - 5 hrs why do I still need BI for during the day?

Regards
Derek

Jul 20, 2012

RichFreed 51 posts

Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right

Bug
On save of the diary entry QA is recalculated even after a manual override of the QA figures. Eg when we edit to round the .5s, on save, that edit is lost.

Jul 20, 2012

RichFreed 51 posts

Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right

Bug..

If you have a correction auto calc'd and then edit the QA:CP ratio on the diary entry it recalculates the QA (brilliant) but it also seems to recalc the correction as well but forgets to remove the old calculated correction. So you could end up with, as an example, QA 5+6+6+6+6.
In the app it appears to actually fix itself a few milliseconds after saving but that fix is not reflected in the database here.

Jul 19, 2012

RichFreed 51 posts

Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right

Getting back to the number of decimals. The correction calc I wanted to use this morning was 1:0.65, forced to use 1:0.6 correction would put at the very bottom of the target range & if I used 1:0.7 there would be difference sufficient enough to put me at the top end of the target range. I realise I could change the range target % to fix this instance but surely that's not the intended function of the range target % setting.

I can live with it of course since the issue really only comes about for the larger than normal highs and the difference between 1 tenth in the ratio results in a multiple of units diference.

Also, any plans to make it do negative adjustments?

Jul 19, 2012

RichFreed 51 posts

Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right

Maybe bug?

I'm a ozDAFNE T1 and our rule was corrections were done only at meal times & bed. The auto correction calc is kicking in on all 'types'. Is the UK program different?

Jul 19, 2012

RichFreed 51 posts

Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right

+1 on the .5 rounding. Don't forget to track the rounding on the auto correction value to or you could end up with a net rounding of +/-1.0

Jul 19, 2012

Phil Maskell 194 posts

Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right

Podarcis said:
As I have an Android phone I can't use the improved version yet . Please let me know as soon as I can get hold of it, as I'd love to give it a workout.

I agree with Novorapid that the app should round to the nearest 0.5 unit or 1 unit (user-selectable). I have found this a nuisance in the current version (as I have said previously), which gives (say) 5 CPs x 1.5 QA:CP = 7.5 units, which I would prefer the app to round to 8 rather than me having to edit the calculated figure manually.

+1 for the rounding, with auto calc it could even be clever and round up or down based on your current BG over mid point in target range round up below mid point in target range round down.

Or so the 0.5 calc is not lost from the user perspective, round up or down as a +- type correction so it is obvious why a 5CP @ 1.5:1 is 7.5+0.5 not just 8, thoughts?

Simon, bet you hate smart arsed user comments like these, at work I do Wink

Phil

Jul 19, 2012

Podarcis 14 posts

Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right

As I have an Android phone I can't use the improved version yet Sad

. Please let me know as soon as I can get hold of it, as I'd love to give it a workout.

I agree with Novorapid that the app should round to the nearest 0.5 unit or 1 unit (user-selectable). I have found this a nuisance in the current version (as I have said previously), which gives (say) 5 CPs x 1.5 QA:CP = 7.5 units, which I would prefer the app to round to 8 rather than me having to edit the calculated figure manually.

Jul 19, 2012

RichFreed 51 posts

Topic: Site Development / Printing - Meals alligned

+1 to this request. Had a little go myself exporting to MS access to try and cobble together something myself. Utterly failed. I could see that I'd have to create a custom vba app to dynamically do it. And probably too difficult for me.

Maybe an interim 'almost' solution would be to allow for us to filter which types we want displayed. Eg for a report to take into my specialist I would want just meals, hypos && bed.

Jul 19, 2012

novorapidboi26 1,818 posts

Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right

No, I think Rich is right, you can set your QA:CP ratios in settings under the specify targets button, so you can set your BG targets, and then your ratio.....

When adding to the diary, it should look at the time and choose the correct ratio...... Very Happy

Try it out...... Wink

Jul 19, 2012

Phil Maskell 194 posts

Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right

RichFreed said:
To help the guys above if you are indeed asking for it to remember your QA:CP ratio on a meal to meal basis you set your default ratios for each 'Type' in settings then specify targets. It always had this feature since I began using it end of May this year.

Cool, didn't know it was hidden here, thanks

Bug with it recalc after save still stands though

Jul 19, 2012

Phil Maskell 194 posts

Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right

Hi,

I am asking for default QA:CP to be remembered/set

But also if you change it from 1:1 then save and go back in, it resets it to 1:1 and recalcs QA and adds or removes previous corrections, only way to stop this is to turn off auto calc.

Phil

Jul 19, 2012

RichFreed 51 posts

Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right

To help the guys above if you are indeed asking for it to remember your QA:CP ratio on a meal to meal basis you set your default ratios for each 'Type' (of meal) in 'Settings' then 'Specify Targets'. It's always had this feature since I began using it end of May this year.

Edit: for additional clarity

Jul 19, 2012

RichFreed 51 posts

Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right

Bug.....
I took my reading tonight for bed... It was above target, but I do not want to make a correction because I had had a snack recently with QA still on board. I thought the thing to do would be to simply edit to QA correction calc'd to remove it. On save the adjustment is recalc'd and entered automatically. Seems no way to remove it other than to edit settings to turn auto calc off.

Jul 19, 2012

novorapidboi26 1,818 posts

Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right

Are you talking about the QA:CP ratio?

You have to enter this in manually at each blood test/meal, just like you would with the online diary, so the 1:1 is just a default value. Sorry if I am getting confused with your bug....

It works for me anyway.......the first thing I put in is the QA:CP ratio, then the CP amount, then my blood sugar level........

I am using the SIMPLE correction factor method, works a treat.......

It is valid that the majority of folk cant inject a 0.5 unit, unless they have the half unit pens.......I personally would round up in this case, and so would need to edit the calculated dose in the app to include an additional 0.5........this is a safety feature built in I think...

It would be good to have the app remember your mealtime ratios and background time/doses, its not available in the website diary though but the app is for using on the move so definitely would be good....

Jul 19, 2012

slb23 5 posts

Topic: Site Development / Printing - Meals alligned

Hi, has there been any update on this in the last 18 months? I've just had my first clinic since using the online diary, and I don't think the HCPs were too impressed!
Thanks

Jul 19, 2012

Phil Maskell 194 posts

Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right

Hi,

Bug and feature request...

Bug...

I like the new calculations, but my ratios are dif at dif times of the day, never 1:1 either.

If I have a snack of 3CP it calcs 3QA + correction @ 1:1, I then change ratio to 1.5:1 and the QA is 4.5 which is correct.

If I save everything is fine, but if I need to go back in it resets back to a ratio of 1:1 and therefore resets QA to 3, I can't inject 0.5 so did 4.5+0.5 and it looses the 0.5 too.

Feature ...

I have background insulin twice a day and somehow it remembers I have 16 units in the morning and 20 in the evening. Could we set or it remember each meals ratio as a default so I don't need to change from 1:1 everytime?

Hope this makes sense.

Phil

Jul 19, 2012

novorapidboi26 1,818 posts

Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right

I am sure the decimal places could be hanged quite easily.....are all your ratios more than one?

Great job with the app guys, it's weird seeing the correction function there. I really do think it will help people, and at the very least, get them thinking about there corrections and what they are doing under different conditions.....

Thank you....

Jul 19, 2012

RichFreed 51 posts

Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right

Seems to be working as expected.

Would be better (for me) to have the ratios go to 2 decimal places though.

Jul 18, 2012

Simon 574 posts

Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right

Hi everyone, thanks for all your input so far. iOS users can now upgrade to version 1.6 from the app store, which contains this auto-calculate functionality (amongst other new bits) with both option 1 (called Simple) and 2 (banded) as described by podacris above.

As always, let me know what you think, and more importantly if there's any issues that you can see with the calculation (there's only so much testing a man can do!)

Jul 16, 2012

Phil Maskell 194 posts

Topic: Site Development / Targets range

Annette,

It's counter intuitive to what I got told and probably most diabetics in the past, but you need some insulin (horrid balancing act though as too much and hypo) in the system before exercise, if there isn't any the body can't get the energy it needs from the sugar in the blood and the liver panics and kicks some more sugar out (helpful).

Not sure if this helps explain the high? Might need a couple of units of QA before exercise, have some sugar handy too though, balancing act Exclamation

Phil

Jul 20, 2012 novorapidboi26 1,818 posts	Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right Going back to the remembering of ratios etc, when you go into settings>specify targets in order to change your BG targets and mealtime ratios, you hit done when finished and exit back out, when I go back in my previous changes are gone..... Anyone else.....?

Jul 20, 2012 derekh1965 99 posts	Topic: Questions ? / Long Acting Insulin Hi, I have a question for an HCP. When I was diagnosed type 1 in 1994 I was put on a Humilin Soluble/isophane mix twice a day. Then in 1996 I was put on this great new quick acting insulin which gives greater control, Humalog. Told to take that before every meal and to only take my long acting, Humilin Isophane (BI) at dinnertime. Which I have done for the past 16 years. Now after doing the DAFNE Course I am told to take my BI twice a day, why? If QA lasts 2 - 5 hrs why do I still need BI for during the day? Regards Derek

Jul 20, 2012 RichFreed 51 posts	Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right Bug On save of the diary entry QA is recalculated even after a manual override of the QA figures. Eg when we edit to round the .5s, on save, that edit is lost.

Jul 20, 2012 RichFreed 51 posts	Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right Bug.. If you have a correction auto calc'd and then edit the QA:CP ratio on the diary entry it recalculates the QA (brilliant) but it also seems to recalc the correction as well but forgets to remove the old calculated correction. So you could end up with, as an example, QA 5+6+6+6+6. In the app it appears to actually fix itself a few milliseconds after saving but that fix is not reflected in the database here.

Jul 19, 2012 RichFreed 51 posts	Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right Getting back to the number of decimals. The correction calc I wanted to use this morning was 1:0.65, forced to use 1:0.6 correction would put at the very bottom of the target range & if I used 1:0.7 there would be difference sufficient enough to put me at the top end of the target range. I realise I could change the range target % to fix this instance but surely that's not the intended function of the range target % setting. I can live with it of course since the issue really only comes about for the larger than normal highs and the difference between 1 tenth in the ratio results in a multiple of units diference. Also, any plans to make it do negative adjustments?

Jul 19, 2012 RichFreed 51 posts	Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right Maybe bug? I'm a ozDAFNE T1 and our rule was corrections were done only at meal times & bed. The auto correction calc is kicking in on all 'types'. Is the UK program different?

Jul 19, 2012 RichFreed 51 posts	Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right +1 on the .5 rounding. Don't forget to track the rounding on the auto correction value to or you could end up with a net rounding of +/-1.0

Jul 19, 2012 Phil Maskell 194 posts	Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right Podarcis said: As I have an Android phone I can't use the improved version yet . Please let me know as soon as I can get hold of it, as I'd love to give it a workout. I agree with Novorapid that the app should round to the nearest 0.5 unit or 1 unit (user-selectable). I have found this a nuisance in the current version (as I have said previously), which gives (say) 5 CPs x 1.5 QA:CP = 7.5 units, which I would prefer the app to round to 8 rather than me having to edit the calculated figure manually. +1 for the rounding, with auto calc it could even be clever and round up or down based on your current BG over mid point in target range round up below mid point in target range round down. Or so the 0.5 calc is not lost from the user perspective, round up or down as a +- type correction so it is obvious why a 5CP @ 1.5:1 is 7.5+0.5 not just 8, thoughts? Simon, bet you hate smart arsed user comments like these, at work I do Phil

Jul 19, 2012 Podarcis 14 posts	Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right As I have an Android phone I can't use the improved version yet . Please let me know as soon as I can get hold of it, as I'd love to give it a workout. I agree with Novorapid that the app should round to the nearest 0.5 unit or 1 unit (user-selectable). I have found this a nuisance in the current version (as I have said previously), which gives (say) 5 CPs x 1.5 QA:CP = 7.5 units, which I would prefer the app to round to 8 rather than me having to edit the calculated figure manually.

Jul 19, 2012 RichFreed 51 posts	Topic: Site Development / Printing - Meals alligned +1 to this request. Had a little go myself exporting to MS access to try and cobble together something myself. Utterly failed. I could see that I'd have to create a custom vba app to dynamically do it. And probably too difficult for me. Maybe an interim 'almost' solution would be to allow for us to filter which types we want displayed. Eg for a report to take into my specialist I would want just meals, hypos && bed.

Jul 19, 2012 novorapidboi26 1,818 posts	Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right No, I think Rich is right, you can set your QA:CP ratios in settings under the specify targets button, so you can set your BG targets, and then your ratio..... When adding to the diary, it should look at the time and choose the correct ratio...... Try it out......

Jul 19, 2012 Phil Maskell 194 posts	Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right RichFreed said: To help the guys above if you are indeed asking for it to remember your QA:CP ratio on a meal to meal basis you set your default ratios for each 'Type' in settings then specify targets. It always had this feature since I began using it end of May this year. Cool, didn't know it was hidden here, thanks Bug with it recalc after save still stands though

Jul 19, 2012 Phil Maskell 194 posts	Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right Hi, I am asking for default QA:CP to be remembered/set But also if you change it from 1:1 then save and go back in, it resets it to 1:1 and recalcs QA and adds or removes previous corrections, only way to stop this is to turn off auto calc. Phil

Jul 19, 2012 RichFreed 51 posts	Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right To help the guys above if you are indeed asking for it to remember your QA:CP ratio on a meal to meal basis you set your default ratios for each 'Type' (of meal) in 'Settings' then 'Specify Targets'. It's always had this feature since I began using it end of May this year. Edit: for additional clarity

Jul 19, 2012 RichFreed 51 posts	Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right Bug..... I took my reading tonight for bed... It was above target, but I do not want to make a correction because I had had a snack recently with QA still on board. I thought the thing to do would be to simply edit to QA correction calc'd to remove it. On save the adjustment is recalc'd and entered automatically. Seems no way to remove it other than to edit settings to turn auto calc off.

Jul 19, 2012 novorapidboi26 1,818 posts	Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right Are you talking about the QA:CP ratio? You have to enter this in manually at each blood test/meal, just like you would with the online diary, so the 1:1 is just a default value. Sorry if I am getting confused with your bug.... It works for me anyway.......the first thing I put in is the QA:CP ratio, then the CP amount, then my blood sugar level........ I am using the SIMPLE correction factor method, works a treat....... It is valid that the majority of folk cant inject a 0.5 unit, unless they have the half unit pens.......I personally would round up in this case, and so would need to edit the calculated dose in the app to include an additional 0.5........this is a safety feature built in I think... It would be good to have the app remember your mealtime ratios and background time/doses, its not available in the website diary though but the app is for using on the move so definitely would be good....

Jul 19, 2012 slb23 5 posts	Topic: Site Development / Printing - Meals alligned Hi, has there been any update on this in the last 18 months? I've just had my first clinic since using the online diary, and I don't think the HCPs were too impressed! Thanks

Jul 19, 2012 Phil Maskell 194 posts	Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right Hi, Bug and feature request... Bug... I like the new calculations, but my ratios are dif at dif times of the day, never 1:1 either. If I have a snack of 3CP it calcs 3QA + correction @ 1:1, I then change ratio to 1.5:1 and the QA is 4.5 which is correct. If I save everything is fine, but if I need to go back in it resets back to a ratio of 1:1 and therefore resets QA to 3, I can't inject 0.5 so did 4.5+0.5 and it looses the 0.5 too. Feature ... I have background insulin twice a day and somehow it remembers I have 16 units in the morning and 20 in the evening. Could we set or it remember each meals ratio as a default so I don't need to change from 1:1 everytime? Hope this makes sense. Phil

Jul 19, 2012 novorapidboi26 1,818 posts	Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right I am sure the decimal places could be hanged quite easily.....are all your ratios more than one? Great job with the app guys, it's weird seeing the correction function there. I really do think it will help people, and at the very least, get them thinking about there corrections and what they are doing under different conditions..... Thank you....

Jul 19, 2012 RichFreed 51 posts	Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right Seems to be working as expected. Would be better (for me) to have the ratios go to 2 decimal places though.

Jul 18, 2012 Simon 574 posts	Topic: Site Development / Auto calculate QA from BG - let's get it right Hi everyone, thanks for all your input so far. iOS users can now upgrade to version 1.6 from the app store, which contains this auto-calculate functionality (amongst other new bits) with both option 1 (called Simple) and 2 (banded) as described by podacris above. As always, let me know what you think, and more importantly if there's any issues that you can see with the calculation (there's only so much testing a man can do!)

Jul 16, 2012 Phil Maskell 194 posts	Topic: Site Development / Targets range Annette, It's counter intuitive to what I got told and probably most diabetics in the past, but you need some insulin (horrid balancing act though as too much and hypo) in the system before exercise, if there isn't any the body can't get the energy it needs from the sugar in the blood and the liver panics and kicks some more sugar out (helpful). Not sure if this helps explain the high? Might need a couple of units of QA before exercise, have some sugar handy too though, balancing act Phil