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Oct 31, 2009

megramsey 4 posts

Does anybody else find Pizza values in Dafne book way too high - I had a Domino's medium pizza last night and in the book it should be 19 - I guessed 9 which was too much.

Oct 31, 2009

Alann 12 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Least painful lancet??

Hi Copperline,

I've the Accu-ckeck mulitclix to be by the best i've used. Maybe it would be worth mentioning this to your HCP as it could be down to technique.

I have found though that not only rotating which finger i use, I also will use my left hand week one and the right week 2 as well as alternative site. This is by no means advice, but I do find testing from my upper arm farless painless and are more convienent.

Kindest regards

Alan.

Oct 31, 2009

megramsey 4 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / Type 2 & DAFNE

Marke there is now a way to tell if someone is Type 1 the GAD test can prove it with antibodies being found in the blood -hence the change of diagnosis for my husband.
I wanted to make the point that a type 2 diagnosis in the past is not necessarily proof someone is type 2 so if someone wants to try Dafne and it works that is good news whatever type they may have been diagnosed as which I think is in agreement with you in a way.

Oct 30, 2009

Sam 64 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Dawn Phenomenon

Hi Nicky

Thanks for your in put really interesting what you're saying. I've done the numerous 3am checks over the last week and I'm definately not hypoing. I spoke to my nurse the other day and discussed pumps, she actually mentioned another BI I think it maybe the one you're on can't quite remember the name. I'll speak to her in more detail next week.

When you say taking a split background are you taking a QA plus Insulin I and Levemir or have I picked you up wrong?

I had changed my ratio at breakfast from 2:1 to 3:1 few weeks ago because of the high sugars in the morning.

We'll see what options there are next week and thanks for sharing that. Always good to hear others experiences.

Sam x

Oct 30, 2009

Sam 64 posts

Topic: Site Development / Recipes

mmmm didn't think of that, I've managed to removed mine by editing the post so hopefully no one or something has noticed!

Cheers Marke x

Oct 30, 2009

john day 54 posts

Topic: Site Development / Recipes

Hi Marke ..

Thanks for the reminder .. we all indeed get too much of that already.

Cheers, John

Oct 30, 2009

marke 681 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / Type 2 & DAFNE

hi, as is my style I will preface what I'm about to say by making clear I am a Diabetic NOT a HCP/consultant/DAFNE Educator.
I don't think you can actually prove you are Type 1/Type 2/ or any other type, because life just isn't that simple :-( DAFNE is aimed at and works best with people
who are NOT insulin resistant and require multiple injections of background and quick acting insulin. Some DAFNE Educators are happy to include people with Insulin resistance and some are not. Ultimately the course is NOT aimed at people with insulin resistance and the issue is if you include such people they can skew the course because they have issues that the rest of the attendees do not. However as I say people with insulin resistance are not by default excluded and at some DAFNE Centres may be able to attend DAFNE.

Oct 30, 2009

megramsey 4 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / Type 2 & DAFNE

My husband was diagnosed as a type 2 at the age of 40. I did the Dafne course as I am a type 1 (and by the way I take metformin as well as insulin) and he did it by proxy along with me. He has now actually been tested with the GAD test which has actually proved he is in fact a type 1.

Oct 30, 2009

marke 681 posts

Topic: Site Development / Recipes

guys, Just a word of caution. I would advise against putting your email addresses in messages on the forums. Not because of anyone on here, but because spammers scan websites for email addresses to use to send spam to. Since these are public forums, anyone or anything can access them and get hold of your email address. As someone who works in the IT industry and has to battle to block my users receiving spam I can assure you its VERY annoying to start receiving large amounts of spam AND also to have your email address used as the apparent source of spam.
You can use the site private message facility to send each other 'private' messages that contain your email addresses. That way they are NOT available publicly to be accessed by spammers. To use private messages just click on 'message inbox' in the right hand menu.

Oct 30, 2009

hankypanky 18 posts

Topic: General Discussion / I would appreciate anybody's help!

im sure all waiting lists aintthe same Sad

i went to my first diabetes education centre for the first time eva and was on DAFNE in about 5 weeks and also with having type 1 for 15 years but it helped me loads for thinking i knew it all (lol) great cause and hope your friend has better control ASAP
steve Smile

Oct 30, 2009

Nicky 3 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Dawn Phenomenon

Hi Guys,

I have quite a marked dawn phenomenon and was almost at the end of my tether until recently. I like yourselves started of checking for night-time hypos (as to be honest this is what I thought it might be) when I discovered that from 4am-8am I'd creep up from 7 to 17!! Despite many attempts to correct this I just couldn't get it sorted and when I increased my BI to a certain amount I went lo which ment I ended up being high in the morning anyway. Nightmare! It was suggested that I get an insulin pump but to be honest I hate the idea of being attached to a machine so I thought I was going to have to just out up with it and correct every morning.

However, recently I was put on Insulin I for my bedtime BI (the same as the old insulatard) which action peaks at 4 hours meaning if I time it right (ie take my bedtime jag at midnight or later) it combats the increase in BG and as a result my morning BMs have been really good. Not perfect but it is a hell of a lot better than it was (down to single figures mostly). The only draw back is you really can't take it before midnight otherwise it will peak to early and you will go lo (but if you are an owl this is perfect, or just set your alarm if you want an early bed).

This also means that you would have to split your background dose too so you'd have to take another jag in the morning of one of the new, slower release ones (eg levimir, lantus). I have to say though for me it has made a huge difference and I don't feel so disheartned with my control.

Its definately something to think about!

Nicky Smile

PS - If you have a dawn phenomenon you are more likely to need a higher ratio at breakfast anyway to combat that no matter how fit you are as those hormones that are released to wake you up (which gives you the dawn phenomenon) are still hanging about your system. I've found that even if I wake up fine and don't eat breakfast I still have to give myself a couple of units to keep me level for lunch.

Oct 29, 2009

Sam 64 posts

Topic: Site Development / Recipes

Hi John

A heinz tin of lentil soup has a few very small squares of potato I don't even know if there is 10g worth to count but I count 1cp plus the tomato puree a bit like following the rules of beans. I'm looking at a tin just now per 100g is 7.7g a full tin 400g so it works out as 3cp. I've found it doesn't put my BG up much and in the past I've taken my full amount of insulin ratio 2:1 so 6units. I've hypod 1hr later. So I just half it. Taking 1.5 units to cover the tin of soup.

When I said never hypod I mean I've counted the right amount of carbs/ taken the right amount of insulin. I've never hypod when cooking homemade food because I've counted my carbs correctly and taken the right amount of insulin to match the carbs, so I'm counting right! I've not over estimated in my cps basically therefore no risk of hypo.

Since following DAFNE rules my hypos have reduced dramatically and that has a lot to do with weighing my food and counting carbs properly, the system really does work. It's all second nature now!

Thanks
Sam x

Oct 29, 2009

john day 54 posts

Topic: Site Development / Recipes

Hello Sam ..

From what you have said, you already work in the way that will suit the form fine ..it will just provide a standard layout for your calculations to keep. Like you mention, In my own use of the form I also tend to favour portion size at he unit rather than gr as its easier to relates to eg half of a Morrisons Steak Pie is 6.5 CP, half can rice pudding is 3.3 CP as well as dividing up Patâ€™s home cooked recipes into half or third portions.

Just a detail query from your potato comment .. why half the CP for the potatoes in the soup .. just from experience?

And if by â€˜never hypoedâ€™ you mean you have never had BG less than 3.5 then you could teach us all a lot, thatâ€™s for sure. Suspect you mean never been down in the 1.somethings?

Anyway, to send you the Form I need to email it as an attachment which I am happy to do, just let me know your em address via the message system.

Cheers, John

Oct 29, 2009

Sam 64 posts

Topic: Site Development / Recipes

Hi John

I'm curious ..your form is there anyway I could get a copy? I in the past had difficulty in over estimating my CPs as every food tends to have carb nutrition info on the packaging. When attending the DAFNE course we were told to watch what we count for example a tin of lentil soup although a heinz tin from memory works out at about 3 cps I normally 1/2 it for all the potato that's in it plus lentils are in low GI. You end up taking too much insulin to cover and could hypo later on. I guess it's a case of what ingredients are in the foods etc and would you count it. My portions of home cooked meals can depend on how big or small my portion is. I make a chicken pie which has puff pastry which is high in carbs but I love it sooo much I get 4 portions out the whole pie. You could get so much more I guess what I'm trying to say is say one of my recipes is a total of 400g carbs i would say to folk divide by the number of portions you want out of it, everyones appetite is different. I would also list all ingredients and mark the carb amount per that item and it would be up to that person whether to count it or not. I kile to work out the carb amount for each food item, total it and then divide by the number of portions I get out of it. I take my insulin accordingly. I've never hypod after which is a good sign. I guess it's just trial and error.

Let me know about your form.

Sam x

Oct 29, 2009

LizB 23 posts

Topic: General Discussion / I would appreciate anybody's help!

Hi - just one note of caution.
Please don't be too heavy handed with your friend. We all need to be in control of our own destiny and things like diabetes can leave you feeling like you no longer have control over that. Other people doing things behind her back is not necessarily going to help her feel in control again.

All your friend needs to know is what resources are available to assist her and that people are routing for her and then she will, in her own time, make the choices that work for her and allow her to regain control of her situation in life. If you are frustrated with the time it takes her to come to terms with her condition, imagine how much more frustrating it is to realise that you're in a situation that will never end and that you are going to have to find the best way you can to manage it for the rest of your life.

Take a look around this site and you will see that people who have long ago (decades) come to terms with their condition are still working out what is the best way to manage it now. It can be a constantly changing situation, so please be patient with your friend and allow her to reach her long term conclusions and choices in her own time frame.

Best of luck to both of you.

Liz

Oct 29, 2009

LizB 23 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Forever chasing my tail - Any suggestions please

Karen
I've just e-mailed my DSN after doing 2 days of no carb breakfasts and being very good about not changing anything except my a.m. BI. I will definitely let you know how I get on - only hope it's weeks rather than months. :-)

Cheers.
Liz

Oct 29, 2009

Lynne 8 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Help me - I'm rubbish!!

Andy - thanks, that's really inspiring!! I do think it's all about habit and that once I get started I'll find it becomes more like second nature..!

Oct 29, 2009

sanderaburns 5 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Coeliac as well as Diabetic?

I have Coeliac disease as well as being Type 1 Diabetic, am looking to talk to others who are the same, please get in touch.
Sandra

Oct 29, 2009

Lynne 8 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Help me - I'm rubbish!!

Well I have my next appointment on 20th November (eek) and know I'll get a row too - but really hoping that filling it all in online will really inspire me to pay more attention to my diabetes!

I got invited to my cousin's wedding in December and there was a bit on the reply card to state if you have any special dietary requirements - I didn't fill it in. I then had my auntie on the phone asking if I'd forgotten to fill it in etc..! I wish people would realise that in fact we can eat what we like!!

I know what you mean about drawing attention to your diabetes - I hate testing or injecting in front of people I don't know. So sometimes it doesn't get done to be honest!

Oct 29, 2009

Andy M 2 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Help me - I'm rubbish!!

Hi Lynne,

I did the course approx 6-8 months ago after struggling with poor control and poor health for a number of years. My weight spirallled out of control and I crept up to 18st 9lbs. My health was starting to affect my life style.

DAFNE taught me a lot; especially about food generally. It really is worth the effort. As for me??? Welll

My weight has dropped to 14 stone, my GP has taken me off ALL my blood pressure tablets (Lisinopril and Slozem), I have had zero Hypos, I am generally quite fit & healthy , I take much less insulin now (sometimes even skipping my long acting dose depending upon my carb intake) and I eat like a horse.

As for keeping records etc I suppose everyone finds their own way. I kept good records and counted accurately for a while; now it is just second nature, I sort of keep it in my head now....I find I do not need to keep accurate records..I just sort of got "into th groove" if that makes sense.

It is well worth perservering ...a couple of good books/reading some on line forums helps.

Keep in touch .. good luck

Andy

Oct 29, 2009

sanderaburns 5 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Help me - I'm rubbish!!

Hi Lynne, i did DAFNE training at St John's in March, like you i think it's brilliant, but filling in my diary is just a pain in the ***!
I got into trouble at my clinic appt in sept for not filling it in, my hb1 count had went up as well, so as my 'punishment' i had to fill my diary in for a few weeks and send it to Liz, i haven't filled it in for a couple of weeks, and find it so hard to start again.
I find that it's easy for people to tell you to do it, but they are not the ones doing it, i don't want everyone knowing i am diabetic as it is, and this just draws attention to the fact. I get a half hour break, so i have to test my BG, work out my CP's eat and fill in my diary, i am also coeliac so have to make sure i don't eat anything with gluten in it. I feel food is becoming a BIG issue with me!
Do you find that non diabetics 'tell' you what you can't eat? i get it all the time so that's why i hate telling people i am diabetic.
I know it's helping me but it's really hard, so you are not alone!
Sandra


Oct 31, 2009 megramsey 4 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Pizza Does anybody else find Pizza values in Dafne book way too high - I had a Domino's medium pizza last night and in the book it should be 19 - I guessed 9 which was too much.

Oct 31, 2009 Alann 12 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Least painful lancet?? Hi Copperline, I've the Accu-ckeck mulitclix to be by the best i've used. Maybe it would be worth mentioning this to your HCP as it could be down to technique. I have found though that not only rotating which finger i use, I also will use my left hand week one and the right week 2 as well as alternative site. This is by no means advice, but I do find testing from my upper arm farless painless and are more convienent. Kindest regards Alan.

Oct 31, 2009 megramsey 4 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / Type 2 & DAFNE Marke there is now a way to tell if someone is Type 1 the GAD test can prove it with antibodies being found in the blood -hence the change of diagnosis for my husband. I wanted to make the point that a type 2 diagnosis in the past is not necessarily proof someone is type 2 so if someone wants to try Dafne and it works that is good news whatever type they may have been diagnosed as which I think is in agreement with you in a way.

Oct 30, 2009 Sam 64 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Dawn Phenomenon Hi Nicky Thanks for your in put really interesting what you're saying. I've done the numerous 3am checks over the last week and I'm definately not hypoing. I spoke to my nurse the other day and discussed pumps, she actually mentioned another BI I think it maybe the one you're on can't quite remember the name. I'll speak to her in more detail next week. When you say taking a split background are you taking a QA plus Insulin I and Levemir or have I picked you up wrong? I had changed my ratio at breakfast from 2:1 to 3:1 few weeks ago because of the high sugars in the morning. We'll see what options there are next week and thanks for sharing that. Always good to hear others experiences. Sam x

Oct 30, 2009 Sam 64 posts	Topic: Site Development / Recipes mmmm didn't think of that, I've managed to removed mine by editing the post so hopefully no one or something has noticed! Cheers Marke x

Oct 30, 2009 john day 54 posts	Topic: Site Development / Recipes Hi Marke .. Thanks for the reminder .. we all indeed get too much of that already. Cheers, John

Oct 30, 2009 marke 681 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / Type 2 & DAFNE hi, as is my style I will preface what I'm about to say by making clear I am a Diabetic NOT a HCP/consultant/DAFNE Educator. I don't think you can actually prove you are Type 1/Type 2/ or any other type, because life just isn't that simple :-( DAFNE is aimed at and works best with people who are NOT insulin resistant and require multiple injections of background and quick acting insulin. Some DAFNE Educators are happy to include people with Insulin resistance and some are not. Ultimately the course is NOT aimed at people with insulin resistance and the issue is if you include such people they can skew the course because they have issues that the rest of the attendees do not. However as I say people with insulin resistance are not by default excluded and at some DAFNE Centres may be able to attend DAFNE.

Oct 30, 2009 megramsey 4 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / Type 2 & DAFNE My husband was diagnosed as a type 2 at the age of 40. I did the Dafne course as I am a type 1 (and by the way I take metformin as well as insulin) and he did it by proxy along with me. He has now actually been tested with the GAD test which has actually proved he is in fact a type 1.

Oct 30, 2009 marke 681 posts	Topic: Site Development / Recipes guys, Just a word of caution. I would advise against putting your email addresses in messages on the forums. Not because of anyone on here, but because spammers scan websites for email addresses to use to send spam to. Since these are public forums, anyone or anything can access them and get hold of your email address. As someone who works in the IT industry and has to battle to block my users receiving spam I can assure you its VERY annoying to start receiving large amounts of spam AND also to have your email address used as the apparent source of spam. You can use the site private message facility to send each other 'private' messages that contain your email addresses. That way they are NOT available publicly to be accessed by spammers. To use private messages just click on 'message inbox' in the right hand menu.

Oct 30, 2009 hankypanky 18 posts	Topic: General Discussion / I would appreciate anybody's help! im sure all waiting lists aintthe same i went to my first diabetes education centre for the first time eva and was on DAFNE in about 5 weeks and also with having type 1 for 15 years but it helped me loads for thinking i knew it all (lol) great cause and hope your friend has better control ASAP steve

Oct 30, 2009 Nicky 3 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Dawn Phenomenon Hi Guys, I have quite a marked dawn phenomenon and was almost at the end of my tether until recently. I like yourselves started of checking for night-time hypos (as to be honest this is what I thought it might be) when I discovered that from 4am-8am I'd creep up from 7 to 17!! Despite many attempts to correct this I just couldn't get it sorted and when I increased my BI to a certain amount I went lo which ment I ended up being high in the morning anyway. Nightmare! It was suggested that I get an insulin pump but to be honest I hate the idea of being attached to a machine so I thought I was going to have to just out up with it and correct every morning. However, recently I was put on Insulin I for my bedtime BI (the same as the old insulatard) which action peaks at 4 hours meaning if I time it right (ie take my bedtime jag at midnight or later) it combats the increase in BG and as a result my morning BMs have been really good. Not perfect but it is a hell of a lot better than it was (down to single figures mostly). The only draw back is you really can't take it before midnight otherwise it will peak to early and you will go lo (but if you are an owl this is perfect, or just set your alarm if you want an early bed). This also means that you would have to split your background dose too so you'd have to take another jag in the morning of one of the new, slower release ones (eg levimir, lantus). I have to say though for me it has made a huge difference and I don't feel so disheartned with my control. Its definately something to think about! Nicky PS - If you have a dawn phenomenon you are more likely to need a higher ratio at breakfast anyway to combat that no matter how fit you are as those hormones that are released to wake you up (which gives you the dawn phenomenon) are still hanging about your system. I've found that even if I wake up fine and don't eat breakfast I still have to give myself a couple of units to keep me level for lunch.

Oct 29, 2009 Sam 64 posts	Topic: Site Development / Recipes Hi John A heinz tin of lentil soup has a few very small squares of potato I don't even know if there is 10g worth to count but I count 1cp plus the tomato puree a bit like following the rules of beans. I'm looking at a tin just now per 100g is 7.7g a full tin 400g so it works out as 3cp. I've found it doesn't put my BG up much and in the past I've taken my full amount of insulin ratio 2:1 so 6units. I've hypod 1hr later. So I just half it. Taking 1.5 units to cover the tin of soup. When I said never hypod I mean I've counted the right amount of carbs/ taken the right amount of insulin. I've never hypod when cooking homemade food because I've counted my carbs correctly and taken the right amount of insulin to match the carbs, so I'm counting right! I've not over estimated in my cps basically therefore no risk of hypo. Since following DAFNE rules my hypos have reduced dramatically and that has a lot to do with weighing my food and counting carbs properly, the system really does work. It's all second nature now! Thanks Sam x

Oct 29, 2009 john day 54 posts	Topic: Site Development / Recipes Hello Sam .. From what you have said, you already work in the way that will suit the form fine ..it will just provide a standard layout for your calculations to keep. Like you mention, In my own use of the form I also tend to favour portion size at he unit rather than gr as its easier to relates to eg half of a Morrisons Steak Pie is 6.5 CP, half can rice pudding is 3.3 CP as well as dividing up Patâ€™s home cooked recipes into half or third portions. Just a detail query from your potato comment .. why half the CP for the potatoes in the soup .. just from experience? And if by â€˜never hypoedâ€™ you mean you have never had BG less than 3.5 then you could teach us all a lot, thatâ€™s for sure. Suspect you mean never been down in the 1.somethings? Anyway, to send you the Form I need to email it as an attachment which I am happy to do, just let me know your em address via the message system. Cheers, John

Oct 29, 2009 Sam 64 posts	Topic: Site Development / Recipes Hi John I'm curious ..your form is there anyway I could get a copy? I in the past had difficulty in over estimating my CPs as every food tends to have carb nutrition info on the packaging. When attending the DAFNE course we were told to watch what we count for example a tin of lentil soup although a heinz tin from memory works out at about 3 cps I normally 1/2 it for all the potato that's in it plus lentils are in low GI. You end up taking too much insulin to cover and could hypo later on. I guess it's a case of what ingredients are in the foods etc and would you count it. My portions of home cooked meals can depend on how big or small my portion is. I make a chicken pie which has puff pastry which is high in carbs but I love it sooo much I get 4 portions out the whole pie. You could get so much more I guess what I'm trying to say is say one of my recipes is a total of 400g carbs i would say to folk divide by the number of portions you want out of it, everyones appetite is different. I would also list all ingredients and mark the carb amount per that item and it would be up to that person whether to count it or not. I kile to work out the carb amount for each food item, total it and then divide by the number of portions I get out of it. I take my insulin accordingly. I've never hypod after which is a good sign. I guess it's just trial and error. Let me know about your form. Sam x

Oct 29, 2009 LizB 23 posts	Topic: General Discussion / I would appreciate anybody's help! Hi - just one note of caution. Please don't be too heavy handed with your friend. We all need to be in control of our own destiny and things like diabetes can leave you feeling like you no longer have control over that. Other people doing things behind her back is not necessarily going to help her feel in control again. All your friend needs to know is what resources are available to assist her and that people are routing for her and then she will, in her own time, make the choices that work for her and allow her to regain control of her situation in life. If you are frustrated with the time it takes her to come to terms with her condition, imagine how much more frustrating it is to realise that you're in a situation that will never end and that you are going to have to find the best way you can to manage it for the rest of your life. Take a look around this site and you will see that people who have long ago (decades) come to terms with their condition are still working out what is the best way to manage it now. It can be a constantly changing situation, so please be patient with your friend and allow her to reach her long term conclusions and choices in her own time frame. Best of luck to both of you. Liz

Oct 29, 2009 LizB 23 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Forever chasing my tail - Any suggestions please Karen I've just e-mailed my DSN after doing 2 days of no carb breakfasts and being very good about not changing anything except my a.m. BI. I will definitely let you know how I get on - only hope it's weeks rather than months. :-) Cheers. Liz

Oct 29, 2009 Lynne 8 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Help me - I'm rubbish!! Andy - thanks, that's really inspiring!! I do think it's all about habit and that once I get started I'll find it becomes more like second nature..!

Oct 29, 2009 sanderaburns 5 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Coeliac as well as Diabetic? I have Coeliac disease as well as being Type 1 Diabetic, am looking to talk to others who are the same, please get in touch. Sandra

Oct 29, 2009 Lynne 8 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Help me - I'm rubbish!! Well I have my next appointment on 20th November (eek) and know I'll get a row too - but really hoping that filling it all in online will really inspire me to pay more attention to my diabetes! I got invited to my cousin's wedding in December and there was a bit on the reply card to state if you have any special dietary requirements - I didn't fill it in. I then had my auntie on the phone asking if I'd forgotten to fill it in etc..! I wish people would realise that in fact we can eat what we like!! I know what you mean about drawing attention to your diabetes - I hate testing or injecting in front of people I don't know. So sometimes it doesn't get done to be honest!

Oct 29, 2009 Andy M 2 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Help me - I'm rubbish!! Hi Lynne, I did the course approx 6-8 months ago after struggling with poor control and poor health for a number of years. My weight spirallled out of control and I crept up to 18st 9lbs. My health was starting to affect my life style. DAFNE taught me a lot; especially about food generally. It really is worth the effort. As for me??? Welll My weight has dropped to 14 stone, my GP has taken me off ALL my blood pressure tablets (Lisinopril and Slozem), I have had zero Hypos, I am generally quite fit & healthy , I take much less insulin now (sometimes even skipping my long acting dose depending upon my carb intake) and I eat like a horse. As for keeping records etc I suppose everyone finds their own way. I kept good records and counted accurately for a while; now it is just second nature, I sort of keep it in my head now....I find I do not need to keep accurate records..I just sort of got "into th groove" if that makes sense. It is well worth perservering ...a couple of good books/reading some on line forums helps. Keep in touch .. good luck Andy

Oct 29, 2009 sanderaburns 5 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Help me - I'm rubbish!! Hi Lynne, i did DAFNE training at St John's in March, like you i think it's brilliant, but filling in my diary is just a pain in the ***! I got into trouble at my clinic appt in sept for not filling it in, my hb1 count had went up as well, so as my 'punishment' i had to fill my diary in for a few weeks and send it to Liz, i haven't filled it in for a couple of weeks, and find it so hard to start again. I find that it's easy for people to tell you to do it, but they are not the ones doing it, i don't want everyone knowing i am diabetic as it is, and this just draws attention to the fact. I get a half hour break, so i have to test my BG, work out my CP's eat and fill in my diary, i am also coeliac so have to make sure i don't eat anything with gluten in it. I feel food is becoming a BIG issue with me! Do you find that non diabetics 'tell' you what you can't eat? i get it all the time so that's why i hate telling people i am diabetic. I know it's helping me but it's really hard, so you are not alone! Sandra