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Jun 29, 2010

Simon 574 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Picnics (grr)

Hi Jo, from reading other threads on the forums (and my own experiences) it seems that if your BG is above 10mmol/l then the normal DAFNE Rules of 1 unit of QA to drop it down by 2-3 mmol/l doesn't apply - you need a bit more insulin. I'd say try giving 1 extra unit, and add as necessary and see how you go.

Jun 29, 2010

Nat 30 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Picnics (grr)

What a great boyfriend doing that for you. I think you were right with your CP counting but I would have given +3 units as +2 would only drop you by about 6 and you really needed to be down to about 5.5 ideally. Perhaps try correcting slightly more.

Jun 29, 2010

Jo Penn 23 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Vegetables

My understanding is that DAFNE does not count Veggies because they are absorbed differently than startchy foods...
Q for the HCPs I thinks

Jun 29, 2010

EMS 15 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Vegetables

Hi there,
just wondering why there are no vegetables in the carb counter list, as far as i know, peas and carrots for example have plenty of carbs.
Thanks
Elli

Jun 29, 2010

Jo Penn 23 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Picnics (grr)

Blimey, my lovely boyfriend made me a lovely picnic and had 2 1/2 sandwiches and crisps and calculated to 9.5CP then 15CP (+2 Correction as was at 14.9mmol) but after that and a late meal was 16.1 before dinner...

I am sure I calculated correctly... 5 slices bread (med) 7 1/2 CP and the crisps on a 1:1/2 ratio

Any tips for next time?

Thanks

Jun 29, 2010

novorapidboi26 1,818 posts

Topic: General Discussion / I want an insulin pump

Now thats the kinda control where a pump would benefit in order to regulate delivery over longer periods.................

Its strange that though.....

I have one or two a week, and thats me got good control now........

I would love to learn about why people like yourself cupcake have so many hypos..................

Do you know why it is????

What units of insulin are you on??

Jun 29, 2010

cupcake 3 posts

Topic: General Discussion / I want an insulin pump

I have been Diabetic for 7 years and finished DAFNE course 2 months ago. I am getting a pump next week and am very apprehensive about it. I have had no hypo awarness now for 18 months despite efforts to get these symptoms back. I have about 3 hypos a day at various times and many result in hospital treatment and fits. I would love to manage with my pen alone and the thought of excercise would be a dream but just not possible at the moment. However on my dafne course the consultant said that anybody who met the NICE criteria could request a pump and would be given one. I know two graduates who were on my course for that reason alone, even with relativly stable BG's. Good luck , hope you get what you want.

Jun 29, 2010

cupcake 3 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Corrections

If you are unsure you could do a 3am BG test for a couple of nights then you will know if it is the CP or correction or not if it rises after about 4.30am
It might help you to identify cause

Jun 28, 2010

Nat 30 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Target range?

Hi Jo - I was feeling exactly the same until Saturday morning woke up in range spent the whole day in range even went to the pub and out for dinner. Sunday came and when I went to bed I was 19.1 (where did that come from). I corrected and woke up this morning back in range but just cannot explain it. Are you taking your background at the right times i.e. early enough before the previous dose runs out? Perhaps you could try eating a certain set diet for a day or two and then introduce other foods to see if it changes at all!

Jun 28, 2010

novorapidboi26 1,818 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Target range?

If your sugars stay steady overnight, without any carbs, then your background is right, assuming its lantus and sometimes levemir...

The next step is purely look for a pattern in your sugars. I have been doing it for a year and I am out of target everyday. But my haemaglobin is down.

Try not to get to addicted to getting it perfect....

Post a few days up here by putting it in the diary that you can access on the right hand side, and we can all comment...........

Jun 28, 2010

Jo Penn 23 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Target range?

Well - DAFNE going well, and seem to be maintaining the status quo with my background. However I am still not in DAFNE target... any tips/ideas?

Jo

Jun 26, 2010

novorapidboi26 1,818 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Corrections

My question is, when you have 1 CP at bed, what is your reading in the morning, it cant be that high unless you suffer from the dawn phenomonon, as I do. If you are in double figures in the morning it wont be the 10 gram of carbohydrate for sure. And if it is dawn phenomonon, you cant really do anything.

And if following the DAFNE principles you dont take for 10 grams.....................

If you are hypoing during the night, you must be correcting to much, unless its a background dose issue, but you would be experiencing lows all the time if that was the case.

If it was me before bed, I wouldnt take cp for a blood reading of 5 as my background is correct. Even though the target is around the 7 mark.

I recommend publishing you results for one of the nights in question, could get a better idea and maybe get some feedback from a HCP....

Jun 26, 2010

novorapidboi26 1,818 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Risotto "what CP Rating is it?

I think rice, fried or boiled is pretty much the same per 100g cooked, and therefore rissoto is the same..................

If anyone get the exact carbs add it in the carb section here................

Jun 26, 2010

novorapidboi26 1,818 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / taka way

I agree, its basically a tub of rice, with prawns mixed in.....................

The rice portion is in the dafne carb book...................

good choice of take away, scrumptious...............

Jun 26, 2010

Nat 30 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Risotto "what CP Rating is it?

Personally I wouldn't count it as steamed as it is cooked in stock like boiled rice and steamed is as it says cooked in the steam only. Let me know how you get on as I too like risotto and have only completed the course a few days ago.

Jun 26, 2010

Nat 30 posts

Topic: General Discussion / New to DAFNE

Jo

Chinese went extremely well and actually had the best morning BG test yet. The Levemir seems to be working well too and actually may not have to need my new 1.5:1 ratio after all but will need to check tomorrow.

It is lovely to be out of that room (it was so hot without any windows or air) and the dog has enjoyed being back to his normal walks. Have you made any adjustments since you got home?

Jun 26, 2010

Jo Penn 23 posts

Topic: General Discussion / New to DAFNE

Hi there Nat x

I thought it was great, and am feeling very positive... how was the takeaway??

Nice to back to normality; missed my dog immensely and we have already had our first walk.. x

Jun 26, 2010

Possum 7 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Risotto "what CP Rating is it?

Can someone advise me please if they have tried risotto (entre size restaurant meal) and what CP rating it is? Do I treat it as steamed rice?

Jun 25, 2010

Nat 30 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / taka way

Hi, you probably have already eaten your takeaway and figured out the carbs but I generally think that one tray is rougly 300g give or take a few grains! Hope your meal was worth all the counting?

Jun 25, 2010

Nat 30 posts

Topic: General Discussion / New to DAFNE

Hi Jo

Wasn't the course fantastic? I feel the same as you shattered with information overload but ready to tackle the future in a completely new light.

Tackling a takeaway tonight (wish me luck). I will let you know the outcome soon.

Hope you got home safely.

Natalie

Jun 25, 2010

Jo Penn 23 posts

Topic: General Discussion / New to DAFNE

Wow just finished DAFNE at Cambridge, and it has been the hardest, most enjoyable yet life enhancing week of my life to date.. but OMG I feel so confident and like I said in my evaluation:
They have helped me save myself from high set doses and overinsulisation (sp)

My name is Jo and I have had the condition for 8 years, and now am realising that I am normal and my experiences of highs and lows and unpredictable sugars seem the trend.

25 years old last December and today (despite being mentally fatigued) feel younger than that..

I am glad I took the plunge, and hope that this site can help me get to my personal goal of HbA1c of 7%

Thanks DAFNE

Jun 25, 2010

meltow 78 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Corrections

Before bed, if my BG is 8 or above I will use a correction dose. I reckon on 1 unit bringing me down about 3.
Similarly, if my BG is 5 or below I will have 1 CP before bed - usually a hand full or two of sultanas.
I very rarely suffer from hypos, and if I do they tend to happen in the night, and this is likely due to agressive exercising during the day, rather than over or under compensating before bed.

HTH!

Jun 25, 2010

EmmaAngelone 1 post

Topic: General Discussion / Corrections

Hello everyone,

Just wondering if we should be correcting at bed time if out of target with insulin or food? or have i got this wrong
I find that if i am 5 at bed time and have one CP my BG will elevate beyond target. Also if i correct for high BG with insulin pre bed i often hypo during the night.

any suggestions would be great

thanks


Jun 29, 2010 Simon 574 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Picnics (grr) Hi Jo, from reading other threads on the forums (and my own experiences) it seems that if your BG is above 10mmol/l then the normal DAFNE Rules of 1 unit of QA to drop it down by 2-3 mmol/l doesn't apply - you need a bit more insulin. I'd say try giving 1 extra unit, and add as necessary and see how you go.

Jun 29, 2010 Nat 30 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Picnics (grr) What a great boyfriend doing that for you. I think you were right with your CP counting but I would have given +3 units as +2 would only drop you by about 6 and you really needed to be down to about 5.5 ideally. Perhaps try correcting slightly more.

Jun 29, 2010 Jo Penn 23 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Vegetables My understanding is that DAFNE does not count Veggies because they are absorbed differently than startchy foods... Q for the HCPs I thinks

Jun 29, 2010 EMS 15 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Vegetables Hi there, just wondering why there are no vegetables in the carb counter list, as far as i know, peas and carrots for example have plenty of carbs. Thanks Elli

Jun 29, 2010 Jo Penn 23 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Picnics (grr) Blimey, my lovely boyfriend made me a lovely picnic and had 2 1/2 sandwiches and crisps and calculated to 9.5CP then 15CP (+2 Correction as was at 14.9mmol) but after that and a late meal was 16.1 before dinner... I am sure I calculated correctly... 5 slices bread (med) 7 1/2 CP and the crisps on a 1:1/2 ratio Any tips for next time? Thanks

Jun 29, 2010 novorapidboi26 1,818 posts	Topic: General Discussion / I want an insulin pump Now thats the kinda control where a pump would benefit in order to regulate delivery over longer periods................. Its strange that though..... I have one or two a week, and thats me got good control now........ I would love to learn about why people like yourself cupcake have so many hypos.................. Do you know why it is???? What units of insulin are you on??

Jun 29, 2010 cupcake 3 posts	Topic: General Discussion / I want an insulin pump I have been Diabetic for 7 years and finished DAFNE course 2 months ago. I am getting a pump next week and am very apprehensive about it. I have had no hypo awarness now for 18 months despite efforts to get these symptoms back. I have about 3 hypos a day at various times and many result in hospital treatment and fits. I would love to manage with my pen alone and the thought of excercise would be a dream but just not possible at the moment. However on my dafne course the consultant said that anybody who met the NICE criteria could request a pump and would be given one. I know two graduates who were on my course for that reason alone, even with relativly stable BG's. Good luck , hope you get what you want.

Jun 29, 2010 cupcake 3 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Corrections If you are unsure you could do a 3am BG test for a couple of nights then you will know if it is the CP or correction or not if it rises after about 4.30am It might help you to identify cause

Jun 28, 2010 Nat 30 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Target range? Hi Jo - I was feeling exactly the same until Saturday morning woke up in range spent the whole day in range even went to the pub and out for dinner. Sunday came and when I went to bed I was 19.1 (where did that come from). I corrected and woke up this morning back in range but just cannot explain it. Are you taking your background at the right times i.e. early enough before the previous dose runs out? Perhaps you could try eating a certain set diet for a day or two and then introduce other foods to see if it changes at all!

Jun 28, 2010 novorapidboi26 1,818 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Target range? If your sugars stay steady overnight, without any carbs, then your background is right, assuming its lantus and sometimes levemir... The next step is purely look for a pattern in your sugars. I have been doing it for a year and I am out of target everyday. But my haemaglobin is down. Try not to get to addicted to getting it perfect.... Post a few days up here by putting it in the diary that you can access on the right hand side, and we can all comment...........

Jun 28, 2010 Jo Penn 23 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Target range? Well - DAFNE going well, and seem to be maintaining the status quo with my background. However I am still not in DAFNE target... any tips/ideas? Jo

Jun 26, 2010 novorapidboi26 1,818 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Corrections My question is, when you have 1 CP at bed, what is your reading in the morning, it cant be that high unless you suffer from the dawn phenomonon, as I do. If you are in double figures in the morning it wont be the 10 gram of carbohydrate for sure. And if it is dawn phenomonon, you cant really do anything. And if following the DAFNE principles you dont take for 10 grams..................... If you are hypoing during the night, you must be correcting to much, unless its a background dose issue, but you would be experiencing lows all the time if that was the case. If it was me before bed, I wouldnt take cp for a blood reading of 5 as my background is correct. Even though the target is around the 7 mark. I recommend publishing you results for one of the nights in question, could get a better idea and maybe get some feedback from a HCP....

Jun 26, 2010 novorapidboi26 1,818 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Risotto "what CP Rating is it? I think rice, fried or boiled is pretty much the same per 100g cooked, and therefore rissoto is the same.................. If anyone get the exact carbs add it in the carb section here................

Jun 26, 2010 novorapidboi26 1,818 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / taka way I agree, its basically a tub of rice, with prawns mixed in..................... The rice portion is in the dafne carb book................... good choice of take away, scrumptious...............

Jun 26, 2010 Nat 30 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Risotto "what CP Rating is it? Personally I wouldn't count it as steamed as it is cooked in stock like boiled rice and steamed is as it says cooked in the steam only. Let me know how you get on as I too like risotto and have only completed the course a few days ago.

Jun 26, 2010 Nat 30 posts	Topic: General Discussion / New to DAFNE Jo Chinese went extremely well and actually had the best morning BG test yet. The Levemir seems to be working well too and actually may not have to need my new 1.5:1 ratio after all but will need to check tomorrow. It is lovely to be out of that room (it was so hot without any windows or air) and the dog has enjoyed being back to his normal walks. Have you made any adjustments since you got home?

Jun 26, 2010 Jo Penn 23 posts	Topic: General Discussion / New to DAFNE Hi there Nat x I thought it was great, and am feeling very positive... how was the takeaway?? Nice to back to normality; missed my dog immensely and we have already had our first walk.. x

Jun 26, 2010 Possum 7 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Risotto "what CP Rating is it? Can someone advise me please if they have tried risotto (entre size restaurant meal) and what CP rating it is? Do I treat it as steamed rice?

Jun 25, 2010 Nat 30 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / taka way Hi, you probably have already eaten your takeaway and figured out the carbs but I generally think that one tray is rougly 300g give or take a few grains! Hope your meal was worth all the counting?

Jun 25, 2010 Nat 30 posts	Topic: General Discussion / New to DAFNE Hi Jo Wasn't the course fantastic? I feel the same as you shattered with information overload but ready to tackle the future in a completely new light. Tackling a takeaway tonight (wish me luck). I will let you know the outcome soon. Hope you got home safely. Natalie

Jun 25, 2010 Jo Penn 23 posts	Topic: General Discussion / New to DAFNE Wow just finished DAFNE at Cambridge, and it has been the hardest, most enjoyable yet life enhancing week of my life to date.. but OMG I feel so confident and like I said in my evaluation: They have helped me save myself from high set doses and overinsulisation (sp) My name is Jo and I have had the condition for 8 years, and now am realising that I am normal and my experiences of highs and lows and unpredictable sugars seem the trend. 25 years old last December and today (despite being mentally fatigued) feel younger than that.. I am glad I took the plunge, and hope that this site can help me get to my personal goal of HbA1c of 7% Thanks DAFNE

Jun 25, 2010 meltow 78 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Corrections Before bed, if my BG is 8 or above I will use a correction dose. I reckon on 1 unit bringing me down about 3. Similarly, if my BG is 5 or below I will have 1 CP before bed - usually a hand full or two of sultanas. I very rarely suffer from hypos, and if I do they tend to happen in the night, and this is likely due to agressive exercising during the day, rather than over or under compensating before bed. HTH!

Jun 25, 2010 EmmaAngelone 1 post	Topic: General Discussion / Corrections Hello everyone, Just wondering if we should be correcting at bed time if out of target with insulin or food? or have i got this wrong I find that if i am 5 at bed time and have one CP my BG will elevate beyond target. Also if i correct for high BG with insulin pre bed i often hypo during the night. any suggestions would be great thanks