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Mar 4, 2015

EMS 15 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Juicing veg

I've recently started to juice veg in the morning - I read that the best time to drink this is on an empty stomach, so I'm having it before leaving home to go to work (where I have my breakfast).

I've been doing it for about a week but only started monitoring before an after reading these last couple of mornings. I realized with some shock that my sugars have shot up after taking the juice. For example, yesterday I was delighted with my 5.8 reading @ 7.00 but by the time I got to work @ 8.30 this had shot up to 11.3 and this morning from 7.2 to 15.6.

I vary the ingredients most days, but mainly I'm using celery, cucumber, fennel, kale, ginger and a drop of lemon - no fruit. So I was really surprised at the result.

I'm gong to continue for the next few days a keep monitoring closely because it seems so odd that these vegetables which would normally have zero effect suddenly become so potent once juiced.

Any one else had this experience?

Mar 4, 2015

thomas2512 3 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / NEXT INJECTION

Hi Warwidk,

Thank you, much appreciated

Mar 4, 2015

Warwick 423 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Diabetic Burnout

As Dunkers says, it would be great if you could post your before bed readings and wake-up readings every time. Getting the basal rate right is the first step, and unless that is correct, then there is little hope for good management. Looking at all the red, I suspect that your basal is too low, but too hard to diagnose without the important bed time and wake-up readings.

Mar 3, 2015

dunkers7 24 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Diabetic Burnout

The basal looks like it's holding overnight to me if 26/02 -> 27/02 is anything to go on. But it's hard to tell without more tests before bed as you say.

I reckon getting the overnight BG in a good range is the main priority here. Think about this - when you sleep you're fasting, and it accounts for about 1/3rd of a 24 hour day if you're getting 8 hours sleep. Getting that one right is the best place to start to improve the overall hba1c.

DAFNE says eat as much as you want to, so long as you're carb counting and taking bolus as appropriate. Good news if you feel stressed and could do with some comfort food. Smile

Mar 3, 2015

mum2westiesGill 502 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Diabetic Burnout

Hi,

I'm having a bit of a diabetic burnout due to stress going on in my life atm. I want to try & get back on track. I seem to be lacking with - bedtime testing / waking testing / quite often I have a late tea but then often snack on crisps or more recently popcorn halfway through the evening but with no bolus.

Any help in identifying trends or any other help ie with targets & ratios will be greatly appreciated.

Also any help in saying whether I should be reducing or increasing my basal. I've been taking 14u of Lantus basal at bedtime for quite a while now.
Really need maybe some encouragement to do some overnight basal testing.

Mar 3, 2015

Warwick 423 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / exercise

Hi Dunkers, yes I find the same. Exercise in the morning before breakfast will see steady BGs, sometimes even higher BGs when I come back if it has been a long session and my basal has started to run out.

I find that exercise with any QA in my system will almost always lead to hypos, so I try and exercise at least 4 hours after injecting my Humalog.

Mar 3, 2015

Warwick 423 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / NEXT INJECTION

Hi Thomas, without knowing you insulin regime, this is impossible to answer. It would depend on when your last injection was, what your blood glucose was at the time of that injection, what you have eaten since then and so on. Every diabetic is different, so there in no specific time that all diabetics inject insulin.

I'd suggest recording your diary using the "My Blood Glucose Diary" link to the right, then sharing the diary with the forum for advice on how to gain better control.

Mar 2, 2015

marke 681 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Trying to lose weight?

Its the same effect, peanuts don't contain carbs just protein. In theory that gets converted to BG so slowly that your BI will cover it, but Diabetes is full of theories that don't necessarily translate to reality. We are ALL different and react slightly different to different things like Insulin, food, illness etc etc

Mar 2, 2015

PeterThompson 2 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Trying to lose weight?

Thanks marke. Going off at a slight tangent but on the DAFNE course I was told that peanuts didn't contain and carbs yet in my experience they do have an effect on BG - a slower release but still requires some QA to treat. Anyway, not sure I could eat a whole bag of monket nuts. Respect!!

Mar 2, 2015

marke 681 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Trying to lose weight?

I would also try 1) in the post above i.e trying to skip lunch if you can and then testing your BG. I think you also need to be a bit more precise. By this I mean what time do you
eat and what time do you check 'mid-afternoon' ? The reason for saying this is it may give more of a clue as to what is going on. While Protein can be converted to sugar it is not the
bodies first option because it is more complex and takes time. You can't consider protein as the same as carbs when assessing its impact on BG. If you can say when you eat,
how much and when you test that will give us more details to try to advise.
The amount is also relevant, I remember well my DAFNE Course when I showed my results and said I may have been a bit higher due to eating Monkey Nuts the evening before, the
dietician said, ooh a handful won't make a difference. I said no the whole bag, to which she seemed shocked but the other guys on the course all said, yes of course the whole bag why
would you eat just a handful. One persons normal is another's excessive ;-)

Mar 1, 2015

thomas2512 3 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Jelly Babies

5 JELLIE BABIES IS 2CPS

Mar 1, 2015

thomas2512 3 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / NEXT INJECTION

HI I ONLY ACTUALLY COMPLETED MY DAFNE COURSE 27TH FEB. I AM STARTING FROM SCRATCH AS IT WHERE AND
JUST WONDERED WHAT IS THE BEST TIME TO DO MY NEXT INJECTION, I EATE BREKFAST AT 10.45 THIS MORNING PLEASE
COULD SOMEONE ADVISE AS I NEED TO MAKE SURE MY BG DIARY ENTRY IS CORRECT Rolling Eyes

Feb 28, 2015

stephenbrowne 37 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Urticaria&type1 vs tattoo

Hi Ketostix pla,
Great to hear things are going well. I do feel a bit nervous of someone having a tattoo done especially with a history of urticaria. I can always remember someone I met years ago who had a terrible reaction to one of the tattoo coloured inks on an arm tattoo design. As I remember they needed help from a plastic surgeon to help and even this intervention was not the end of his problems. There are several different types of urticaria, some related to an allergy or sensitivity to a particular substance but in so called "idiopathic" urticaria it is not possible to find the exact cause. Certain factors such as heat, cold, local pressure ( e.g. from a bag carrying strap) emotional stress can be relevant. Sometimes there is a hereditary or family tendency to the problem. It might be worth seeking advice from your general practitioner regarding specific advice for yourself.
Best wishes

Feb 27, 2015

ketostix pla... 25 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Urticaria&type1 vs tattoo

Hi there, I have been doing dafne for almost 5 years now, and an overall success for me apart from dawn phenonoms (which have accepted just one of those things). My long term blood test doctor happy with and lost weight through gym and eating when want, and not go treat. Been thinking for a while of getting a tattoo, and being doing lot of research, think midlife crisis but cheaper than sports car. I have urticaria (aka stinging nettle rash) I have not had a flare up for few years now think due to better control, and general health as tends to flare up when ill(infection) of run down. Just want some advice so I don't make a mistake that will live to regret, with flare up or it permently returning. Just feel it's something I want to tick of bucket list. Any help or advice appreciated??

Feb 27, 2015

Simon 578 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Trying to lose weight?

I'd also recommend reading a book called Your Diabetes Science Experiment by Ginger Viera. I'm in the same boat, trying to lose weight and it gives a great overview of how carbs, protein and fat affect your BG, as well as detailed guidelines for exercise too.

Feb 26, 2015

JamesW 24 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / exercise

Thanks for the further information. Hope the training and dosing continue to stay to form.

Feb 26, 2015

dunkers7 24 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / exercise

JamesW, I do find I need to reduce QA and BI after running to avoid hypo during the night. In the example I posted, I reduced QA by 1 and BI by 1 for the exercise. (apologies, should have posted that BI dose as a negative correction)

Have also found that a general increase in physical activity after a long layoff from training has improved my insulin sensitivity a lot in a short time, even on days when I'm not training and well after the 24 hours. That evening BI is now down to 10!

Have done a few basal tests since last week, yet to find out where the BI doses are going to bottom out.

Feb 26, 2015

ketostix pla... 25 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / Tattoo vs urticaria&type1

Hi there, I have been doing dafne for almost 5 years now, and an overall success for me apart from dawn phenonoms (which have accepted just one of those things). My long term blood test doctor happy with and lost weight through gym and eating when want, and not go treat. Been thinking for a while of getting a tattoo, and being doing lot of research. I have urticaria (aka stinging nettle rash) I have not had a flare up for few years now think due to better control, and general health as tends to flare up when ill(infection) of run down. Just want some advice so I don't make a mistake that will live to regret, with flare up or it permently returning. Just feel it's something I want to tick of bucket list. Any help or advice appreciated??

Feb 26, 2015

JamesW 24 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / exercise

@dunkers7, how do you find your levels the next day/24 hours?

Feb 25, 2015

dunkers7 24 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Trying to lose weight?

Two possibilities.

1) You aren't taking enough BI
2) The protein is raising your BG

Have a read of this thread and you'll find a question has been asked about 2: http://dafneonline.co.uk/forums/1/topics/2650

Feb 25, 2015

PeterThompson 2 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Trying to lose weight?

I am a fresh graddy from DAFNE and found the course far better than expected but I am still struggling a little with some of the program. I have been a type 1 for 23 years so am well versed in many aspects of control however since attending DAFNE and trying to lose some weight some aspects don't seem to add up. I am trying not to have any carbs at lunch time, in an effort to lose a little weight, other than perhaps an apple and instead am having pure protein usually in the form of a plain, skinless chicken breast. I therefore don't take on any QA at lunch time or, if I have an apple in addition to the chicken, I will take the suggested level of QA to CP being around the 3/4 mark for my desired ratio however when I do subject myself to this boring lunch routine I find my BG mid-afternopon to be very high. I know all about when you are ill you must still take QA and BI in accordance with the calculation but I am not ill so have been left confused on occasions?

Apologies, I didn't mean to ramble on for so long but any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks, Pete

Feb 25, 2015

Rafa 99 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / exercise

Trial and error for myself. Eventually found that i need to reduce my morning BI by 2 units and make sure I have no novorapid still in my system when starting my run at 5.30pm. Has worked fine since then. Previously with novorapid still in my system I could be 12.0 starting out but within half an hour I would be down to 5.0

Feb 25, 2015

dunkers7 24 posts

Topic: Questions for HCPs / Too Many Sticks!

I'd only go with the scanner type meter if you have a very good reason to..I heard from other diabetics recently that the demand for Libre has been so high, the company is actually struggling to keep up with the demand from new customers. You probably need to stick with the tool you have for the immediate future.

Just be aware that if you're testing between meals, there could be a tendency to over correct because the outcome of any QA insulin injected at meal time might not have happened yet. Obviously there are still good reasons to test between meals e.g. if you feel hypo or to meet DVLA requirements, but the aim is to be in your target BG range when testing pre-meal.

Sounds like it's worth a chat to your consultant at the hospital so they can sort your GPs out.

Feb 25, 2015

Warwick 423 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Traveling: Storing Medication

If you keep your insulin in a Frio, it will be good for up to a month. Basically, they don't replace a fridge, but they will keep your insulin below the temperature that it would spoil. (I think that the leaflets say keep it below 30 degrees Celcius and it will certainly do that) If your trip is less than a month, then put the insulin that you are taking on the trip into your Frio the night before, and leave it there for the whole trip. Don't forget to take spare insulin in case of issues. After a month, throw any unused insulin away that has been stored in the Frio.

For three days in Thailand, I'd be surprised if you needed to soak it more than once. Here in an Australian summer - above 30 degree days, the most I have to soak my pack is once every 10 days or so. Sometimes I can go much longer. Humidity does affect it though, so Thailand may need more frequent soaking.

If you are going for longer than a month, then what I would do is either pick up some insulin locally from your destination, or store in the Frio as little as possible, and keep as much in a fridge as possible. It may spoil though so could be a high-risk strategy.

Feb 24, 2015

mum2westiesGill 502 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Dafne App Android

Hi,
Is anyone else having problems when downloading BGs on the app using android. I can't download them

Mar 4, 2015 EMS 15 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Juicing veg I've recently started to juice veg in the morning - I read that the best time to drink this is on an empty stomach, so I'm having it before leaving home to go to work (where I have my breakfast). I've been doing it for about a week but only started monitoring before an after reading these last couple of mornings. I realized with some shock that my sugars have shot up after taking the juice. For example, yesterday I was delighted with my 5.8 reading @ 7.00 but by the time I got to work @ 8.30 this had shot up to 11.3 and this morning from 7.2 to 15.6. I vary the ingredients most days, but mainly I'm using celery, cucumber, fennel, kale, ginger and a drop of lemon - no fruit. So I was really surprised at the result. I'm gong to continue for the next few days a keep monitoring closely because it seems so odd that these vegetables which would normally have zero effect suddenly become so potent once juiced. Any one else had this experience?

Mar 4, 2015 thomas2512 3 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / NEXT INJECTION Hi Warwidk, Thank you, much appreciated

Mar 4, 2015 Warwick 423 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Diabetic Burnout As Dunkers says, it would be great if you could post your before bed readings and wake-up readings every time. Getting the basal rate right is the first step, and unless that is correct, then there is little hope for good management. Looking at all the red, I suspect that your basal is too low, but too hard to diagnose without the important bed time and wake-up readings.

Mar 3, 2015 dunkers7 24 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Diabetic Burnout The basal looks like it's holding overnight to me if 26/02 -> 27/02 is anything to go on. But it's hard to tell without more tests before bed as you say. I reckon getting the overnight BG in a good range is the main priority here. Think about this - when you sleep you're fasting, and it accounts for about 1/3rd of a 24 hour day if you're getting 8 hours sleep. Getting that one right is the best place to start to improve the overall hba1c. DAFNE says eat as much as you want to, so long as you're carb counting and taking bolus as appropriate. Good news if you feel stressed and could do with some comfort food.

Mar 3, 2015 mum2westiesGill 502 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Diabetic Burnout Hi, I'm having a bit of a diabetic burnout due to stress going on in my life atm. I want to try & get back on track. I seem to be lacking with - bedtime testing / waking testing / quite often I have a late tea but then often snack on crisps or more recently popcorn halfway through the evening but with no bolus. Any help in identifying trends or any other help ie with targets & ratios will be greatly appreciated. Also any help in saying whether I should be reducing or increasing my basal. I've been taking 14u of Lantus basal at bedtime for quite a while now. Really need maybe some encouragement to do some overnight basal testing.

Mar 3, 2015 Warwick 423 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / exercise Hi Dunkers, yes I find the same. Exercise in the morning before breakfast will see steady BGs, sometimes even higher BGs when I come back if it has been a long session and my basal has started to run out. I find that exercise with any QA in my system will almost always lead to hypos, so I try and exercise at least 4 hours after injecting my Humalog.

Mar 3, 2015 Warwick 423 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / NEXT INJECTION Hi Thomas, without knowing you insulin regime, this is impossible to answer. It would depend on when your last injection was, what your blood glucose was at the time of that injection, what you have eaten since then and so on. Every diabetic is different, so there in no specific time that all diabetics inject insulin. I'd suggest recording your diary using the "My Blood Glucose Diary" link to the right, then sharing the diary with the forum for advice on how to gain better control.

Mar 2, 2015 marke 681 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Trying to lose weight? Its the same effect, peanuts don't contain carbs just protein. In theory that gets converted to BG so slowly that your BI will cover it, but Diabetes is full of theories that don't necessarily translate to reality. We are ALL different and react slightly different to different things like Insulin, food, illness etc etc

Mar 2, 2015 PeterThompson 2 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Trying to lose weight? Thanks marke. Going off at a slight tangent but on the DAFNE course I was told that peanuts didn't contain and carbs yet in my experience they do have an effect on BG - a slower release but still requires some QA to treat. Anyway, not sure I could eat a whole bag of monket nuts. Respect!!

Mar 2, 2015 marke 681 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Trying to lose weight? I would also try 1) in the post above i.e trying to skip lunch if you can and then testing your BG. I think you also need to be a bit more precise. By this I mean what time do you eat and what time do you check 'mid-afternoon' ? The reason for saying this is it may give more of a clue as to what is going on. While Protein can be converted to sugar it is not the bodies first option because it is more complex and takes time. You can't consider protein as the same as carbs when assessing its impact on BG. If you can say when you eat, how much and when you test that will give us more details to try to advise. The amount is also relevant, I remember well my DAFNE Course when I showed my results and said I may have been a bit higher due to eating Monkey Nuts the evening before, the dietician said, ooh a handful won't make a difference. I said no the whole bag, to which she seemed shocked but the other guys on the course all said, yes of course the whole bag why would you eat just a handful. One persons normal is another's excessive ;-)

Mar 1, 2015 thomas2512 3 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Jelly Babies 5 JELLIE BABIES IS 2CPS

Mar 1, 2015 thomas2512 3 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / NEXT INJECTION HI I ONLY ACTUALLY COMPLETED MY DAFNE COURSE 27TH FEB. I AM STARTING FROM SCRATCH AS IT WHERE AND JUST WONDERED WHAT IS THE BEST TIME TO DO MY NEXT INJECTION, I EATE BREKFAST AT 10.45 THIS MORNING PLEASE COULD SOMEONE ADVISE AS I NEED TO MAKE SURE MY BG DIARY ENTRY IS CORRECT

Feb 28, 2015 stephenbrowne 37 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Urticaria&type1 vs tattoo Hi Ketostix pla, Great to hear things are going well. I do feel a bit nervous of someone having a tattoo done especially with a history of urticaria. I can always remember someone I met years ago who had a terrible reaction to one of the tattoo coloured inks on an arm tattoo design. As I remember they needed help from a plastic surgeon to help and even this intervention was not the end of his problems. There are several different types of urticaria, some related to an allergy or sensitivity to a particular substance but in so called "idiopathic" urticaria it is not possible to find the exact cause. Certain factors such as heat, cold, local pressure ( e.g. from a bag carrying strap) emotional stress can be relevant. Sometimes there is a hereditary or family tendency to the problem. It might be worth seeking advice from your general practitioner regarding specific advice for yourself. Best wishes

Feb 27, 2015 ketostix pla... 25 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Urticaria&type1 vs tattoo Hi there, I have been doing dafne for almost 5 years now, and an overall success for me apart from dawn phenonoms (which have accepted just one of those things). My long term blood test doctor happy with and lost weight through gym and eating when want, and not go treat. Been thinking for a while of getting a tattoo, and being doing lot of research, think midlife crisis but cheaper than sports car. I have urticaria (aka stinging nettle rash) I have not had a flare up for few years now think due to better control, and general health as tends to flare up when ill(infection) of run down. Just want some advice so I don't make a mistake that will live to regret, with flare up or it permently returning. Just feel it's something I want to tick of bucket list. Any help or advice appreciated??

Feb 27, 2015 Simon 578 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Trying to lose weight? I'd also recommend reading a book called Your Diabetes Science Experiment by Ginger Viera. I'm in the same boat, trying to lose weight and it gives a great overview of how carbs, protein and fat affect your BG, as well as detailed guidelines for exercise too.

Feb 26, 2015 JamesW 24 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / exercise Thanks for the further information. Hope the training and dosing continue to stay to form.

Feb 26, 2015 dunkers7 24 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / exercise JamesW, I do find I need to reduce QA and BI after running to avoid hypo during the night. In the example I posted, I reduced QA by 1 and BI by 1 for the exercise. (apologies, should have posted that BI dose as a negative correction) Have also found that a general increase in physical activity after a long layoff from training has improved my insulin sensitivity a lot in a short time, even on days when I'm not training and well after the 24 hours. That evening BI is now down to 10! Have done a few basal tests since last week, yet to find out where the BI doses are going to bottom out.

Feb 26, 2015 ketostix pla... 25 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / Tattoo vs urticaria&type1 Hi there, I have been doing dafne for almost 5 years now, and an overall success for me apart from dawn phenonoms (which have accepted just one of those things). My long term blood test doctor happy with and lost weight through gym and eating when want, and not go treat. Been thinking for a while of getting a tattoo, and being doing lot of research. I have urticaria (aka stinging nettle rash) I have not had a flare up for few years now think due to better control, and general health as tends to flare up when ill(infection) of run down. Just want some advice so I don't make a mistake that will live to regret, with flare up or it permently returning. Just feel it's something I want to tick of bucket list. Any help or advice appreciated??

Feb 26, 2015 JamesW 24 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / exercise @dunkers7, how do you find your levels the next day/24 hours?

Feb 25, 2015 dunkers7 24 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Trying to lose weight? Two possibilities. 1) You aren't taking enough BI 2) The protein is raising your BG Have a read of this thread and you'll find a question has been asked about 2: http://dafneonline.co.uk/forums/1/topics/2650

Feb 25, 2015 PeterThompson 2 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Trying to lose weight? I am a fresh graddy from DAFNE and found the course far better than expected but I am still struggling a little with some of the program. I have been a type 1 for 23 years so am well versed in many aspects of control however since attending DAFNE and trying to lose some weight some aspects don't seem to add up. I am trying not to have any carbs at lunch time, in an effort to lose a little weight, other than perhaps an apple and instead am having pure protein usually in the form of a plain, skinless chicken breast. I therefore don't take on any QA at lunch time or, if I have an apple in addition to the chicken, I will take the suggested level of QA to CP being around the 3/4 mark for my desired ratio however when I do subject myself to this boring lunch routine I find my BG mid-afternopon to be very high. I know all about when you are ill you must still take QA and BI in accordance with the calculation but I am not ill so have been left confused on occasions? Apologies, I didn't mean to ramble on for so long but any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Pete

Feb 25, 2015 Rafa 99 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / exercise Trial and error for myself. Eventually found that i need to reduce my morning BI by 2 units and make sure I have no novorapid still in my system when starting my run at 5.30pm. Has worked fine since then. Previously with novorapid still in my system I could be 12.0 starting out but within half an hour I would be down to 5.0

Feb 25, 2015 dunkers7 24 posts	Topic: Questions for HCPs / Too Many Sticks! I'd only go with the scanner type meter if you have a very good reason to..I heard from other diabetics recently that the demand for Libre has been so high, the company is actually struggling to keep up with the demand from new customers. You probably need to stick with the tool you have for the immediate future. Just be aware that if you're testing between meals, there could be a tendency to over correct because the outcome of any QA insulin injected at meal time might not have happened yet. Obviously there are still good reasons to test between meals e.g. if you feel hypo or to meet DVLA requirements, but the aim is to be in your target BG range when testing pre-meal. Sounds like it's worth a chat to your consultant at the hospital so they can sort your GPs out.

Feb 25, 2015 Warwick 423 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Traveling: Storing Medication If you keep your insulin in a Frio, it will be good for up to a month. Basically, they don't replace a fridge, but they will keep your insulin below the temperature that it would spoil. (I think that the leaflets say keep it below 30 degrees Celcius and it will certainly do that) If your trip is less than a month, then put the insulin that you are taking on the trip into your Frio the night before, and leave it there for the whole trip. Don't forget to take spare insulin in case of issues. After a month, throw any unused insulin away that has been stored in the Frio. For three days in Thailand, I'd be surprised if you needed to soak it more than once. Here in an Australian summer - above 30 degree days, the most I have to soak my pack is once every 10 days or so. Sometimes I can go much longer. Humidity does affect it though, so Thailand may need more frequent soaking. If you are going for longer than a month, then what I would do is either pick up some insulin locally from your destination, or store in the Frio as little as possible, and keep as much in a fridge as possible. It may spoil though so could be a high-risk strategy.

Feb 24, 2015 mum2westiesGill 502 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Dafne App Android Hi, Is anyone else having problems when downloading BGs on the app using android. I can't download them