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Aug 13, 2009

JayBee 582 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Glucotabs: Where they can be found?

Oh my, they sell 50 tablet pots as well?! I've not seen those! I will have to check Boots. Smile

The tubes I use look like this - http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41YwLOt93aL._SL500_AA280_.jpg
They are very handy! Fit in my medical kit bag very nicely! ^_^

Aug 13, 2009

marke 655 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Introductions

To Shelia and others, it is probably better if you start a new topic to ask questions. This topic now goes on for 6 pages and chances are people will not see your question buried in all the other posts.
You are welcome to ask questions here if you want, its just likely to get a better response as a seperate topic.

Thanks

Aug 12, 2009

Fiona 1 post

Topic: General Discussion / Diabetic Birth Stories

I am Type I and have had three pregnancies and births, all of them different! I was induced each time but each labour took its own course. One was quite long, one was reasonable and one was very quick. Interestingly, the type of labour I had reflects the personality of the child now!
I did have a natural birth each time, once with forceps and an epidural, once with pethadine and the last one with just gas and air. So I seem to have tried everything. My conclusion is that as each child is different, each labour will be different. The amazing thing is that once that baby is in your arms, the process of getting it out is soon forgotten!

Aug 12, 2009

Sheila_Kay 11 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Introductions

Have played with the BG diary and found the graphs and like the result. Didn't get the housework done though.

Aug 12, 2009

Sheila_Kay 11 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Glucotabs: Where they can be found?

Hi, I've not heard of the "glucotabs" before, I like the idea of a pot to keep them in. My hand bag gets full of chushed dextrose. I will look out for them and let you know if I find them anywhere else.
Thank you.

Aug 12, 2009

Sheila_Kay 11 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Introductions

Hi,

Everyone keeps talking about how good these graphs are. Where do I find one to try it out?

I am finding dafne helpful but still having troubles mixing it in with shift work. Does anyone have any advise that might help?
Thanks
Sheila

Aug 12, 2009

mandyrobertson9 10 posts

Topic: Site Development / Graphs - now I can really see the difference

Hi

I've only been using this site since completing my course at the beginning of the month and I find the graphs invaluable. They do help to make sense of my readings.
I think being able to view a comparision between weeks would be useful.
I print out my results at the end of the week and store in a file so that I can easily take a week or so to any of my health checks - as my practice nurse finds my records confusing - I write everything in a page a day diary - readings, food, meds etc. So being able to pick a last 7 day time frame would be helpful in that I wouldn't have to enter dates manually.
Thanks for everything that has gone in to making this site so brilliant. I have asked Eileen at Northampton to flag it up with Graduates and will do so myself at our next meeting.

Aug 12, 2009

mandyrobertson9 10 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Glucotabs: Where they can be found?

I buy them on line from the medical shop. They sell the 50 tab pots as well as the smaller tubes. You can purchase from them over the phone - 0800 731 6959.

I've found them on line at Boots too - so maybe they sell them in store or could get them for you.

Hope this helps - they're my preferred hypo treatment too.

Aug 12, 2009

JayBee 582 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Glucotabs: Where they can be found?

I've been using the hypo treatment "Glucotabs" since starting my DAFNE regime and I have found them helpful considering they clearly state on the tube "4g per tablet" and they're in a plastic tube that doesn't eventually ruin my tablets and let the powder from them fill the bottom of my bag like lucozade or dexdrose tablets do.

Now I really would like to continue using them but I often find that they're only avaliable at the superstore ASDA, and so here is my query, has anyone seen them being sold anywhere else? Even my local pharmacies doesn't have them!

I generally tend to buy them in bulk because they're so helpful but sometimes ASDA runs out of stock so an alternative shop would be good. I would buy them online but I do not have the option to do this right now (online references would be helpful too anyway on that note).

I look forward to your replies. Thanks in advance! Smile

Aug 11, 2009

Karen Westwood 38 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Introductions

Hi,

My name is Karen and I am 38 years old and have been diabetic for 28 years. I have recently completed a DAFNE course and cannot believe how much it has changed my life. I learnt more in 1 week about my diabetes than I have in the last 28 years. I have taken on board everything that I have learnt and seem to be getting much better results than previously so fingers crossed this will reflect in my next HBA1C.

Stacey, I totally agree that you need to get your HBA1C to a lower level before trying to conceive. I have had two successful pregnancies during my time as diabetic. I know it is really hard work getting your levels correct but it is well worth it. I think that you are lucky to have completed the DAFNE course prior to becoming pregnant as you have a lot more information at your finger tips now. If you were anything like me I felt like I had plodded along for the last 28 years doing lots of guess work. At least now I know that there is a proper formular that actually works!

Good luck

Aug 11, 2009

Daisy1 2 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Introductions

Hi!!

My name is Stacey I am 29 and I have been a diabetic for 28yrs and am so grateful for the DAFNE course it gave
alot of answers to why I was having so many hypos for all those years. I still need alot of help trying to get my
HbA1c down I was doing sooooooooooo well but now it has gone up again:-(, but the hypos have stoppped I
have now not had one for a year!. It is so important for me to try take better control as we are trying for a baby
so any little tips or words of advice will be greatly appreciated.

Aug 11, 2009

Daisy1 2 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Diabetic Birth Stories

Hello Im a new graduate to the DAFNE course and trying to get the best information on becoming pregnant, at the moment I am struggling to get my HbA1c down, any help would be very very grateful. Thank you x

Aug 10, 2009

LizB 22 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Do periods mess up your blood sugars?

Hi Jenny - yes!
I totally identify with what you're describing, but now the Doc has been able to see my BGs over a sustained period (no pun intended) and I have labelled each week of the cycle with Wk1, Wk2, Wk3 etc, we see the longer term patterns more clearly and are starting to unravel the code. This should mean that in future I'll be able to make changes ahead of time (like Hazel mentioned) rather than constantly re-acting to the bad results I just had!
Good luck in finding a way to tackle your own story.

Aug 10, 2009

LizB 22 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Introductions

Hi,

I'm 39 and have had diabetes for 36 years; and was lucky enought to go on one of our PCT's first DAFNE courses back in January this year (2009).

I had heard about the existence of DAFNE about 2 1/2 years ago and had been working with my DSN on using some of the DAFNE principles whilst waiting for the local DAFNE Educators to receive their initial training and get funding so they could run these courses. Anyway, my point is that I wanted DAFNE, asked for DAFNE and was delighted with the enlightened approach to my care when the actual DAFNE course still wasn't quite available in my area.

DAFNE has given me a sound foundation of understanding of my condition and the tools that I craved to make informed choices about my own day to day care â€“ and the changes this is bringing to my life are gradually revealing themselves as things â€œbed inâ€. [If you read my post on the development site about how useful the graphs are, you'll appreciate that I still have a lot of work to do to get where I want to be, but a least I now have something to work with!]

Crazy isnâ€™t it that itâ€™s taken 36 years to get to this point!

Good luck and good learning to everyone who's done or doing DAFNE.

Aug 10, 2009

LizB 22 posts

Topic: Site Development / Graphs - now I can really see the difference

Hi Simon,
I do compare my graphs and at the moment by base period is Monday to Sunday each week, as it is one page of DAFNE diary results. I think it would be helpful if Iif we could view graphs fortwo time periods (perhaps each with it's own date selection?) side by side on screen.

In answer to your second note, I do select my own dates quite often but having some frequently used options available would probably help speed it up. Personally I like to have the freedom to choose a non-standard period if I feel like it alongside having quick and easy options.

Hope that helps and I look forward to seeing what other people have to say.

Thanks again for your hard work on this.

Aug 10, 2009

Simon 574 posts

Topic: Site Development / Graphs - now I can really see the difference

Also, as a general question - how do people use the graphs? More specifically - do you ever specify your own date range, or would you prefer easier to use options such as

View trend graph for: Last 7 Days | Last 14 Days | All Entries

Aug 10, 2009

Simon 574 posts

Topic: Site Development / Graphs - now I can really see the difference

Hi Liz,

Thanks for the feedback on the graphs - glad you are finding them useful.

From your post it seems you like to compare your results with the previous week - would you like it if there was a 'compare with previous' week option so you could see the current and previous week's graphs side by side? I'm sure this is something we could work on.

Thanks,

Simon

Aug 9, 2009

LizB 22 posts

Topic: Site Development / Graphs - now I can really see the difference

Hi

I've been using the online BG diary and playing with the graphs for about 6 weeks now and I'm finding them invaluable. The graphs help me pick out patterns that I just couldn't see in a list of numbers that seemed to me to be totally random and unpredicatable.

Using the graphs I can plan which parts of the day I need to to tackle first to make improvements - i have a feasible strategy at last! And, most importantly, they also provide a result of what my efforts have achieved.

For example, I started off with the targets pie chart, which gives a great overall view of how I'm getting o. In my heart I knew too many of my tests were too high but really had no grasp of the proportion of tests that were high or low or within target. The targets pie chart shows me the proportions (slices of pie) and the percentages (marked on the graph)and these images have made sense of what's happening.

I admit the first time I looked it was alarming to see that 73.5% of my BGs were above target and only 20% within target! But, what that did was give me something to aim for. Now each week I look at the targets graph and the trend lines for the week just gone and draw the pie chart in my DAFNE book so I can compare it with next week's results.

The first week I did this I came up with a broad goal for myself of reducing the number of above target results. After about three weeks it is now at 44% above target and 35% within target, which is a great improvement.

Next I will be looking at levelling out the trend line so that it doesn't have such dramatic "hills" at the beginning and end of the day. After that, well who knows, but I just wanted to share and say thanks for providing something that really makes a difference in terms of finding a way through the maze of diabetes managent.

Cheers.

Aug 9, 2009

lucy 3 posts

Topic: General Discussion / Diabetic Birth Stories

Hello! I'm looking for personal experiences about giving birth as a type 1 (especially how you got on being on an insulin/glucose drip during labour). I'm 33 weeks pregnant with my first baby & well controlled thanks to DAFNE training & the support of the team at QEH London. I'm eager to have the most natural birth experience possible. Let me know how pregnancy/labour/birth went for you! Thank you!

Aug 9, 2009

lucy 3 posts

Topic: Questions ? / Giving birth without an insulin/glucose drip

Hello! I'm looking for further information / personal experiences about giving birth without being on an insulin/glucose drip. I'm 33 weeks pregnant with my first baby, DAFNE trained & well controlled. I'm eager to have the most natural birth experience possible. Thank you!

Aug 7, 2009

Simon 574 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Avocado

Hi John,

That's a really good point about the low GI foods being included - maybe a separate list could be added to the Carb Counting book. I'll feed this back to DAFNE Central.

Thanks,

Simon

Aug 7, 2009

John Roscoe 11 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Avocado

Simon,
As I understand it some things aren't included because although they contain carbohydrate they have a low GI and are so slowly absorbed that they aren't counted. So this then leads to confusion between things not included because they don't contain CHO, things that are CHO containing and low GI and therefore should not be counted and things that just haven't been iincluded yet. In some ways it would be good if the low GI, CHO containing items were added with a note saying you don't need to count them. Sorry if I have confused things but I have been caught out with this in the past.
Cheers
John

Aug 6, 2009

Simon 574 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Avocado

Guys,

It's true that the Carb book we get on the DAFNE Course doesn't have everything in - this is unfortunate but understandable as the people who make it can't possibly sample every type/brand of food out there, in much the same way that a dictionary doesn't have every word in the English language. If something is missing and you go on to find out the CP value of a portion, you can add your findings to the online carb counter we have here on the site. You never know - it may feed into the paper based diary in the future.

Simon

Aug 6, 2009

John Roscoe 11 posts

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Avocado

Hi Bill,
I think you are right as I believe Avacado has a very low GI and so will be absorbed very slowly so therefore you don't count it.
However your comment touches on a wider issue that if something isn't included in the DAFNE carb counter can you automatically assume you don't count it. This is the one weakness with the carb counter as it doesn't cover everything. I raised this at a recent DAFNE follow up meeting with our dietician and there doesn't seem to be an answer other than it is recognised that this a weakness of the system.
Regards
John

Aug 5, 2009

Buffalo Bill... 1 post

Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Avocado

Hi there,

anybody know if you need insulin for an avocado? My gut instinct tells me no but I checked it online and it has 12 g CHO for 150g of avocado. Anyone any experience of this to share?

Can I presume if a fruit is not in the DAFNE carb counter book, then it is a 0 CP food?

thanks,

Aug 13, 2009 JayBee 582 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Glucotabs: Where they can be found? Oh my, they sell 50 tablet pots as well?! I've not seen those! I will have to check Boots. The tubes I use look like this - http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41YwLOt93aL._SL500_AA280_.jpg They are very handy! Fit in my medical kit bag very nicely! ^_^

Aug 13, 2009 marke 655 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Introductions To Shelia and others, it is probably better if you start a new topic to ask questions. This topic now goes on for 6 pages and chances are people will not see your question buried in all the other posts. You are welcome to ask questions here if you want, its just likely to get a better response as a seperate topic. Thanks

Aug 12, 2009 Fiona 1 post	Topic: General Discussion / Diabetic Birth Stories I am Type I and have had three pregnancies and births, all of them different! I was induced each time but each labour took its own course. One was quite long, one was reasonable and one was very quick. Interestingly, the type of labour I had reflects the personality of the child now! I did have a natural birth each time, once with forceps and an epidural, once with pethadine and the last one with just gas and air. So I seem to have tried everything. My conclusion is that as each child is different, each labour will be different. The amazing thing is that once that baby is in your arms, the process of getting it out is soon forgotten!

Aug 12, 2009 Sheila_Kay 11 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Introductions Have played with the BG diary and found the graphs and like the result. Didn't get the housework done though.

Aug 12, 2009 Sheila_Kay 11 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Glucotabs: Where they can be found? Hi, I've not heard of the "glucotabs" before, I like the idea of a pot to keep them in. My hand bag gets full of chushed dextrose. I will look out for them and let you know if I find them anywhere else. Thank you.

Aug 12, 2009 Sheila_Kay 11 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Introductions Hi, Everyone keeps talking about how good these graphs are. Where do I find one to try it out? I am finding dafne helpful but still having troubles mixing it in with shift work. Does anyone have any advise that might help? Thanks Sheila

Aug 12, 2009 mandyrobertson9 10 posts	Topic: Site Development / Graphs - now I can really see the difference Hi I've only been using this site since completing my course at the beginning of the month and I find the graphs invaluable. They do help to make sense of my readings. I think being able to view a comparision between weeks would be useful. I print out my results at the end of the week and store in a file so that I can easily take a week or so to any of my health checks - as my practice nurse finds my records confusing - I write everything in a page a day diary - readings, food, meds etc. So being able to pick a last 7 day time frame would be helpful in that I wouldn't have to enter dates manually. Thanks for everything that has gone in to making this site so brilliant. I have asked Eileen at Northampton to flag it up with Graduates and will do so myself at our next meeting.

Aug 12, 2009 mandyrobertson9 10 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Glucotabs: Where they can be found? I buy them on line from the medical shop. They sell the 50 tab pots as well as the smaller tubes. You can purchase from them over the phone - 0800 731 6959. I've found them on line at Boots too - so maybe they sell them in store or could get them for you. Hope this helps - they're my preferred hypo treatment too.

Aug 12, 2009 JayBee 582 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Glucotabs: Where they can be found? I've been using the hypo treatment "Glucotabs" since starting my DAFNE regime and I have found them helpful considering they clearly state on the tube "4g per tablet" and they're in a plastic tube that doesn't eventually ruin my tablets and let the powder from them fill the bottom of my bag like lucozade or dexdrose tablets do. Now I really would like to continue using them but I often find that they're only avaliable at the superstore ASDA, and so here is my query, has anyone seen them being sold anywhere else? Even my local pharmacies doesn't have them! I generally tend to buy them in bulk because they're so helpful but sometimes ASDA runs out of stock so an alternative shop would be good. I would buy them online but I do not have the option to do this right now (online references would be helpful too anyway on that note). I look forward to your replies. Thanks in advance!

Aug 11, 2009 Karen Westwood 38 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Introductions Hi, My name is Karen and I am 38 years old and have been diabetic for 28 years. I have recently completed a DAFNE course and cannot believe how much it has changed my life. I learnt more in 1 week about my diabetes than I have in the last 28 years. I have taken on board everything that I have learnt and seem to be getting much better results than previously so fingers crossed this will reflect in my next HBA1C. Stacey, I totally agree that you need to get your HBA1C to a lower level before trying to conceive. I have had two successful pregnancies during my time as diabetic. I know it is really hard work getting your levels correct but it is well worth it. I think that you are lucky to have completed the DAFNE course prior to becoming pregnant as you have a lot more information at your finger tips now. If you were anything like me I felt like I had plodded along for the last 28 years doing lots of guess work. At least now I know that there is a proper formular that actually works! Good luck

Aug 11, 2009 Daisy1 2 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Introductions Hi!! My name is Stacey I am 29 and I have been a diabetic for 28yrs and am so grateful for the DAFNE course it gave alot of answers to why I was having so many hypos for all those years. I still need alot of help trying to get my HbA1c down I was doing sooooooooooo well but now it has gone up again:-(, but the hypos have stoppped I have now not had one for a year!. It is so important for me to try take better control as we are trying for a baby so any little tips or words of advice will be greatly appreciated.

Aug 11, 2009 Daisy1 2 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Diabetic Birth Stories Hello Im a new graduate to the DAFNE course and trying to get the best information on becoming pregnant, at the moment I am struggling to get my HbA1c down, any help would be very very grateful. Thank you x

Aug 10, 2009 LizB 22 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Do periods mess up your blood sugars? Hi Jenny - yes! I totally identify with what you're describing, but now the Doc has been able to see my BGs over a sustained period (no pun intended) and I have labelled each week of the cycle with Wk1, Wk2, Wk3 etc, we see the longer term patterns more clearly and are starting to unravel the code. This should mean that in future I'll be able to make changes ahead of time (like Hazel mentioned) rather than constantly re-acting to the bad results I just had! Good luck in finding a way to tackle your own story.

Aug 10, 2009 LizB 22 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Introductions Hi, I'm 39 and have had diabetes for 36 years; and was lucky enought to go on one of our PCT's first DAFNE courses back in January this year (2009). I had heard about the existence of DAFNE about 2 1/2 years ago and had been working with my DSN on using some of the DAFNE principles whilst waiting for the local DAFNE Educators to receive their initial training and get funding so they could run these courses. Anyway, my point is that I wanted DAFNE, asked for DAFNE and was delighted with the enlightened approach to my care when the actual DAFNE course still wasn't quite available in my area. DAFNE has given me a sound foundation of understanding of my condition and the tools that I craved to make informed choices about my own day to day care â€“ and the changes this is bringing to my life are gradually revealing themselves as things â€œbed inâ€. [If you read my post on the development site about how useful the graphs are, you'll appreciate that I still have a lot of work to do to get where I want to be, but a least I now have something to work with!] Crazy isnâ€™t it that itâ€™s taken 36 years to get to this point! Good luck and good learning to everyone who's done or doing DAFNE.

Aug 10, 2009 LizB 22 posts	Topic: Site Development / Graphs - now I can really see the difference Hi Simon, I do compare my graphs and at the moment by base period is Monday to Sunday each week, as it is one page of DAFNE diary results. I think it would be helpful if Iif we could view graphs fortwo time periods (perhaps each with it's own date selection?) side by side on screen. In answer to your second note, I do select my own dates quite often but having some frequently used options available would probably help speed it up. Personally I like to have the freedom to choose a non-standard period if I feel like it alongside having quick and easy options. Hope that helps and I look forward to seeing what other people have to say. Thanks again for your hard work on this.

Aug 10, 2009 Simon 574 posts	Topic: Site Development / Graphs - now I can really see the difference Also, as a general question - how do people use the graphs? More specifically - do you ever specify your own date range, or would you prefer easier to use options such as View trend graph for: Last 7 Days \| Last 14 Days \| All Entries

Aug 10, 2009 Simon 574 posts	Topic: Site Development / Graphs - now I can really see the difference Hi Liz, Thanks for the feedback on the graphs - glad you are finding them useful. From your post it seems you like to compare your results with the previous week - would you like it if there was a 'compare with previous' week option so you could see the current and previous week's graphs side by side? I'm sure this is something we could work on. Thanks, Simon

Aug 9, 2009 LizB 22 posts	Topic: Site Development / Graphs - now I can really see the difference Hi I've been using the online BG diary and playing with the graphs for about 6 weeks now and I'm finding them invaluable. The graphs help me pick out patterns that I just couldn't see in a list of numbers that seemed to me to be totally random and unpredicatable. Using the graphs I can plan which parts of the day I need to to tackle first to make improvements - i have a feasible strategy at last! And, most importantly, they also provide a result of what my efforts have achieved. For example, I started off with the targets pie chart, which gives a great overall view of how I'm getting o. In my heart I knew too many of my tests were too high but really had no grasp of the proportion of tests that were high or low or within target. The targets pie chart shows me the proportions (slices of pie) and the percentages (marked on the graph)and these images have made sense of what's happening. I admit the first time I looked it was alarming to see that 73.5% of my BGs were above target and only 20% within target! But, what that did was give me something to aim for. Now each week I look at the targets graph and the trend lines for the week just gone and draw the pie chart in my DAFNE book so I can compare it with next week's results. The first week I did this I came up with a broad goal for myself of reducing the number of above target results. After about three weeks it is now at 44% above target and 35% within target, which is a great improvement. Next I will be looking at levelling out the trend line so that it doesn't have such dramatic "hills" at the beginning and end of the day. After that, well who knows, but I just wanted to share and say thanks for providing something that really makes a difference in terms of finding a way through the maze of diabetes managent. Cheers.

Aug 9, 2009 lucy 3 posts	Topic: General Discussion / Diabetic Birth Stories Hello! I'm looking for personal experiences about giving birth as a type 1 (especially how you got on being on an insulin/glucose drip during labour). I'm 33 weeks pregnant with my first baby & well controlled thanks to DAFNE training & the support of the team at QEH London. I'm eager to have the most natural birth experience possible. Let me know how pregnancy/labour/birth went for you! Thank you!

Aug 9, 2009 lucy 3 posts	Topic: Questions ? / Giving birth without an insulin/glucose drip Hello! I'm looking for further information / personal experiences about giving birth without being on an insulin/glucose drip. I'm 33 weeks pregnant with my first baby, DAFNE trained & well controlled. I'm eager to have the most natural birth experience possible. Thank you!

Aug 7, 2009 Simon 574 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Avocado Hi John, That's a really good point about the low GI foods being included - maybe a separate list could be added to the Carb Counting book. I'll feed this back to DAFNE Central. Thanks, Simon

Aug 7, 2009 John Roscoe 11 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Avocado Simon, As I understand it some things aren't included because although they contain carbohydrate they have a low GI and are so slowly absorbed that they aren't counted. So this then leads to confusion between things not included because they don't contain CHO, things that are CHO containing and low GI and therefore should not be counted and things that just haven't been iincluded yet. In some ways it would be good if the low GI, CHO containing items were added with a note saying you don't need to count them. Sorry if I have confused things but I have been caught out with this in the past. Cheers John

Aug 6, 2009 Simon 574 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Avocado Guys, It's true that the Carb book we get on the DAFNE Course doesn't have everything in - this is unfortunate but understandable as the people who make it can't possibly sample every type/brand of food out there, in much the same way that a dictionary doesn't have every word in the English language. If something is missing and you go on to find out the CP value of a portion, you can add your findings to the online carb counter we have here on the site. You never know - it may feed into the paper based diary in the future. Simon

Aug 6, 2009 John Roscoe 11 posts	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Avocado Hi Bill, I think you are right as I believe Avacado has a very low GI and so will be absorbed very slowly so therefore you don't count it. However your comment touches on a wider issue that if something isn't included in the DAFNE carb counter can you automatically assume you don't count it. This is the one weakness with the carb counter as it doesn't cover everything. I raised this at a recent DAFNE follow up meeting with our dietician and there doesn't seem to be an answer other than it is recognised that this a weakness of the system. Regards John

Aug 5, 2009 Buffalo Bill... 1 post	Topic: Carbohydrate Counting / Avocado Hi there, anybody know if you need insulin for an avocado? My gut instinct tells me no but I checked it online and it has 12 g CHO for 150g of avocado. Anyone any experience of this to share? Can I presume if a fruit is not in the DAFNE carb counter book, then it is a 0 CP food? thanks,