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October 28, 2013 16:21

mum2westiesGill 502 posts

novorapidboi26 said:
was snacking all night though, taking bolus doses obviously, but sometimes it just doesn't work out well

Hi NRB,
I like to snack on things like crisps during the evening when watching tv. I've had it suggested to me recently on the Diabetic Support Forum about bolusing to cover these snacks. Although I know that crisps have carbs in I really never think twice about bolusing for them. Have you got an example on what you snacked on & when/how many boluses you did through out the evening?

October 29, 2013 11:19

hypo DAFNE Graduate 18 posts

HI novorapidbo26

No I don't usually feel hypo till BG goes under 4 but I always have a couple of jellybabies if I go under 4.5 and tthat does the trick. I tend to have Highs if I snack between meals but I do like a bar of chocolate.
Regards Jean

October 30, 2013 14:24

Googum DAFNE Graduate
Northern Care Alliance NHS Foundation Trust - Salford Royal Hospital 15 posts

my bed BG 6.8 MMOL my morning 4.9MMOL

November 04, 2013 13:19

mum2westiesGill 502 posts

Sun 27.10
10.5 - bedtime
4.4 - fasting/breaKfast

Mon 28.10
18.0 - bedtime
3.7 - fasting/hypo

Tue 29.10
6.8 - bedtime
2.9 fasting/hypo

Wed 30.10
6.5 - bedtime
10.7 - fasting

Thu 31.10
12.9 - bedtime
10.3 - fasting

Fri 01.11
4.7 - bedtime
3.1 - fasting/hypo

Sat 02.11
7.4 - bedtime
2.5 - fasting/hypo

November 04, 2013 14:30

Louise1988 DAFNE Graduate
South West Essex PCT 69 posts

wow, whiskysmum, you have a lot of hypos. Have you tried any 3am tests, to see if your background insulin is too high?

November 04, 2013 17:46

mum2westiesGill 502 posts

Louise1988 said:
wow, whiskysmum, you have a lot of hypos. Have you tried any 3am tests, to see if your background insulin is too high?

Hi Louise,
Yes a very of hypos! I've had other people from another forum saying my lantus is too high. Re the 3am basal tests is it ok to do it around that time or does it have to be on the exact 3:00am mark?

November 04, 2013 18:05

Louise1988 DAFNE Graduate
South West Essex PCT 69 posts

It doesn't have to be dead on 3am, it could be 2.30-3.30 for example. I think it's worth doing, as you'll be able to see if your bg levels go up, before plummeting in the morning.

November 05, 2013 10:58

mum2westiesGill 502 posts

7.7 - 22:33pm - bedtime
- no snacking during the evening
- 2.8 - 03:10am - the hypo woke me up - then 5.4 - 03:26am
5.8 - 7:24am - fasting - then 3.4 - 8:50am - then 6.3 - 9:06

lantus decreases:
Tue 29.10 from 24u to 22u
Sat 02.10 from 22u to 20u

November 05, 2013 11:03

Louise1988 DAFNE Graduate
South West Essex PCT 69 posts

The fact that you've woken up low in the morning, a few days in a row, I think your lantus may still be a bit too high? How about decreasing again to 18u? Try that for a few days, see what happens?

November 05, 2013 18:02

mum2westiesGill 502 posts

Louise1988 said:
The fact that you've woken up low in the morning, a few days in a row, I think your lantus may still be a bit too high? How about decreasing again to 18u? Try that for a few days, see what happens?

Hi Louise,
Sorry I didn't reply earlier.

I know it's said with lantus that with any changes it can take 3 days for any changes to start taking effect and another 3 for them to settle down and take full effect but even though it was only last Saturday when I last made a change I'm decreasing it by another 2u tonight so from 20u to 18.

One thing we were taught on the Insulin X-Pert course was that you're always welcome to ask your DSNs for their advice but at the end of the day they will always say "what do YOU think you should do?" "what would YOU be happiest doing?" Bit of a ramble here but the other week when I phoned the DSN (re my latest problems) from the drop in clinic who also works at the hospital (where I have a contact number for) & who also did my X-Pert course she reminded me of this.

October 28, 2013 16:21 mum2westiesGill 502 posts	novorapidboi26 said: was snacking all night though, taking bolus doses obviously, but sometimes it just doesn't work out well Hi NRB, I like to snack on things like crisps during the evening when watching tv. I've had it suggested to me recently on the Diabetic Support Forum about bolusing to cover these snacks. Although I know that crisps have carbs in I really never think twice about bolusing for them. Have you got an example on what you snacked on & when/how many boluses you did through out the evening?
October 29, 2013 11:19 hypo DAFNE Graduate 18 posts	HI novorapidbo26 No I don't usually feel hypo till BG goes under 4 but I always have a couple of jellybabies if I go under 4.5 and tthat does the trick. I tend to have Highs if I snack between meals but I do like a bar of chocolate. Regards Jean
October 30, 2013 14:24 Googum DAFNE Graduate Northern Care Alliance NHS Foundation Trust - Salford Royal Hospital 15 posts	my bed BG 6.8 MMOL my morning 4.9MMOL
November 04, 2013 13:19 mum2westiesGill 502 posts	Sun 27.10 10.5 - bedtime 4.4 - fasting/breaKfast Mon 28.10 18.0 - bedtime 3.7 - fasting/hypo Tue 29.10 6.8 - bedtime 2.9 fasting/hypo Wed 30.10 6.5 - bedtime 10.7 - fasting Thu 31.10 12.9 - bedtime 10.3 - fasting Fri 01.11 4.7 - bedtime 3.1 - fasting/hypo Sat 02.11 7.4 - bedtime 2.5 - fasting/hypo
November 04, 2013 14:30 Louise1988 DAFNE Graduate South West Essex PCT 69 posts	wow, whiskysmum, you have a lot of hypos. Have you tried any 3am tests, to see if your background insulin is too high?
November 04, 2013 17:46 mum2westiesGill 502 posts	Louise1988 said: wow, whiskysmum, you have a lot of hypos. Have you tried any 3am tests, to see if your background insulin is too high? Hi Louise, Yes a very of hypos! I've had other people from another forum saying my lantus is too high. Re the 3am basal tests is it ok to do it around that time or does it have to be on the exact 3:00am mark?
November 04, 2013 18:05 Louise1988 DAFNE Graduate South West Essex PCT 69 posts	It doesn't have to be dead on 3am, it could be 2.30-3.30 for example. I think it's worth doing, as you'll be able to see if your bg levels go up, before plummeting in the morning.
November 05, 2013 10:58 mum2westiesGill 502 posts	7.7 - 22:33pm - bedtime - no snacking during the evening - 2.8 - 03:10am - the hypo woke me up - then 5.4 - 03:26am 5.8 - 7:24am - fasting - then 3.4 - 8:50am - then 6.3 - 9:06 lantus decreases: Tue 29.10 from 24u to 22u Sat 02.10 from 22u to 20u
November 05, 2013 11:03 Louise1988 DAFNE Graduate South West Essex PCT 69 posts	The fact that you've woken up low in the morning, a few days in a row, I think your lantus may still be a bit too high? How about decreasing again to 18u? Try that for a few days, see what happens?
November 05, 2013 18:02 mum2westiesGill 502 posts	Louise1988 said: The fact that you've woken up low in the morning, a few days in a row, I think your lantus may still be a bit too high? How about decreasing again to 18u? Try that for a few days, see what happens? Hi Louise, Sorry I didn't reply earlier. I know it's said with lantus that with any changes it can take 3 days for any changes to start taking effect and another 3 for them to settle down and take full effect but even though it was only last Saturday when I last made a change I'm decreasing it by another 2u tonight so from 20u to 18. One thing we were taught on the Insulin X-Pert course was that you're always welcome to ask your DSNs for their advice but at the end of the day they will always say "what do YOU think you should do?" "what would YOU be happiest doing?" Bit of a ramble here but the other week when I phoned the DSN (re my latest problems) from the drop in clinic who also works at the hospital (where I have a contact number for) & who also did my X-Pert course she reminded me of this.